Hamas attacks Gazan civilians

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2elr16jjqo
Tumbleweed from the pro pals on this but if Hamas attack civiians isn't that a 'genocide' or is that term only reserved for Israel?.Will the marchers in London be confusing this if it happens ..... simple answer no.

I don’t think you understand the definition of ‘genocide’.

it differs from oppression.

OMG 😬

I've read as much as I can given my time constraints, and I did not understand that sentence at all. Plus, asking what something means is not to show yourself as a fool. Speaking about something you don't know is what's generally thought of as foolish. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with saying you don't know and asking. No need to be so rude. Yes, I could have Googled, but we are having a conversation, I'm home alone, and wanted to connect with people I guess.

OK, now I've googled. I see that "tumbleweed" means an awkward pause in conversation. Is this a Britishism? I'm British but have lived abroad for 18 years and have not heard tumbleweed used this way before.

And I suppose pro pals must mean pro-Palestinian. A bit of punctuation would have helped there. To be "pro-Pals" would have been very helpful because the tumbleweed reference was totally lost on me.

Pro pals = pro Palestinian, arguably anti-Israeli

Tumbleweed = the quiet desolation on threads highlighting hamas brutality when it can't be laid at Israel's door.

Friendlier threads & boards exist.

Tumbleweed.

It's so hard because so many Gazans still support Hamas. Others are Hamas and disguise themselves as civilians.

Thank you so much for answering my questions. 💐

The term "useful idiots" is claimed (without any evidence) to have originated from Lenin as a term to describe those in the West.

Its been around for many years and most people have heard it before, although I recognise that many less informed people might see it as a term from modern day propaganda.

No idea why my post was deleted.

So i will reiterate it is lazy to say “it didn’t start on the 7th October”. No ongoing conflict ever starts at any particular point. I used the example of India and Pakistan. Whoever kicks off the current round of conflict owns it.

If people want forever wars then say so. Don’t hide behind mealy mouthed apologist terms for terrorism. None of this had to happen, Hamas made it happen. They bear responsibility, they could have handed back the hostages and surrendered and spared their own people.

Did you make a thread about civilians being killed in their tens of thousands about the IDF or did you support literally everything they’ve done over the last 2 years and dismissed it as the unfortunate side of war?

Is there a thread about the 11 people from one family murdered by the IDF yesterday?

Why don't you start one?

We can know where the term came from but still find it interesting that it seems so frequently when people are raising concerns about Israel’s actions.

It´s a stock phrase used by some who support Israel to dismiss concerns about IDF actions.

I also simplistic to think pro-Palestinian means anti-Israel. Yes- there are challenges ahead- but thinking like this will not help with peace.

Pp’s statement was so absurd I wondered if it was meant to be a joke 😬

Slightly off topic, but one of my posts was also deleted the other day for no apparent reason.
Weirdly, just like you do in your post, I was also drawing a parallel to another (historical) conflict.

I think the reason it seems an appropriate term to use is that it describes someone who unwittingly supports a cause/ideology without fully understanding its goals or consequences. Many of the blithe comments on the CITME board indicate that some "pro-Pal" posters think Gaza would be a lovely nest of peace and community without Israel rampaging all over them for no apparent reason, and Hamas propaganda is shared as though it's real. The "pro-Pal" protests on the streets of the UK are either unaware, or don't care, that they are furthering the aims of a sinister fascist cult.

Maybe Gaza would have a similar culture to that of Egypt, maybe Qatar, maybe Iran, maybe Saudi Arabia, maybe UAE?

Who knows what the region would be like if either or both sides made different decisions. It’s an impossible thought experiment with all that has happened in the Middle East.

You also need to understand that supporting Palestinians does not mean supporting Hamas. It’s frustrating how often we need to keep repeating this. Maybe it makes all that has occurred in Gaza more palatable to blame the victims for voting in Hamas 9 years ago.

It is also possible to look aghast at what is happening in Gaza and feel for the Palestinians without necessarily knowing or even appreciating their political views.

The value of a person’s life is not dependent on their belief system.

@Stripes56 But it wasn't just Hamas that carried out the attacks on 7/10 and celebrated them openly in the streets. Gazan civilian mobs carried out many of the worst atrocities. Then there's the jubilant mobs who crowded around to spit on Shani Louk's mangled body as it was paraded in the streets to widespread celebration. And just little things like that guy ringing up his parents, on the phone of an Israeli woman he'd murdered, because he couldn't wait to tell them how many Jews he'd just killed; and his parents' ecstatic reaction. Honestly, what are we supposed to make of all that? That the majority of Gazans sincerely want to live in peace with Israel, but don't mind that sort of thing going on publicly? They just sort of turn a blind eye to it? Do you know?

Yes I have heard that- so do you think - because a small proportion of a 2.5 million population (half of whom are children) did this, that all the population deserved what has happened to them?

Does that mean we should kill people if we disagree with their political views?

Israel didn't respond to Hamas's declaration of war as a means of killing Gazan children. Had that been their intention, the death rate would have been much higher than 3% over 2 years, to put it crudely. And the death rate would have been infinitely lower had Hamas fought this like any normal conflict instead of using their terrorist/propganda tactics. As to your odd question, what's at stake for Israel is more than what you call "their political views." It's something else that begins with G, a term widely used as a form of gaslighting on this forum.

Of course that wasn’t the intent, to kill children- but I don’t agree that the impact the war has had on Palestinians is just down to Hamas.

I won’t rehash all the agreements pertaining to this - as they have been repeated ad nauseam on this board.

I don’t believe that ICC has issued warrants for both Hamas and members of the Knesset for no reason.You can disagree with this, but it would have been done after careful consideration.

Of course genocide is a potential concern by both sides, but ultimately - it will be for international court to determine.

I was quoting their words. They accused Hamas of butchering innocent civilians. I’m saying that the IDF do exactly the same thing.

"They accused"??

Well, there’s a surprise…