Hamas’ reasoning?

[TheBeaTgoeson1]

As we hit 2 years since the October 7th attack, is anyone any further towards understanding why Hamas attacked the people they did on that day? As in their actual reason for that attack? And for the choice of those communities? Did the organisation ever explain why they chose that event?

Before anyone says Google, I have! And there are broad reasons, but I’m trying to understand the reason for that type of attack, and beginning at a music festival?

It's tit for tat retaliation and has been for decades

What's your aibu?

I believe they were wrong and monstrous but I believe they justified it because many of their family members and friends have been murdered and falsely imprisoned by the IDF and Israeli settlers, a huge amount were either displaced or their parents/grandparents were displaced and had their land and property stolen. Many were also children during previous bombing campaigns by Israel and saw loved ones die, severe trauma like that can actually affect the parts of the brain that deal with empathy and right and wrong.

Obviously the victims of October 7th were not to blame for the actions of the IDF or settlers but people get tunnel vision and start to blame an entire group of people for crimes committed by someone who shares a characteristic with them. Just as you have some Israelis who say it is okay to kill Palestinian children because they are all Hamas or will grow up to be Hamas, most Hamas militants do not distinguish between a regular Israeli and an IDF soldier who executes children.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation who would like to see all Jewish people wiped out.

Basically this. As far as I know, Nova was an accident in that the focus of their planned attack was the kibbutzim. It's possible that the Gazan civilian mobs who took part escalated what happened beyond what Hamas originally had in mind, but that's anyone's guess.

Because they are genocidal Jew-haters? Just a wild guess.

There is an argument that they ( and their proxies Iran) were trying to stop an agreement between Saudi Arabia and Israel for trade and other cooperation, so they wanted to start a Holy War in the ME. They have succeeded in their first aim, but didn't succeed in dragging the neighbouring countries into the conflict, so failed on the second.

Their motive was clear and unequivocal, to fulfill their founding charter's aims to destroy the Jewish nation and kill Jews. They filmed themselves doing it and articulated their motives. This strikes me as a disingenous and thoughtless post on this day of all days.

I don't what 'discussion' you wish to promote. There are loads of threads about the conflict. But the motives of Hamas on this day are straightforward.

Honestly when people see things in such a black & white way and fail to look at the other perspective the cycle of violence just continues.

You have argued Israel are justified in their “war” and in bombing a civilian population because of October 7th, yet you do not consider that the people who support October 7th are thinking in the exact same way as you. They say it is justified because of previous massacres of Palestinians.

If no one actually looks at what is driving the hatred on each side how can you address it? October 7th was brutal and wrong but so was the bombings in 2014 and the bombings today. Why did Hamas take hostages - because over 1,000 Palestinians were held without trial in Israeli prisons. The IDF and Hamas are both full of murderers, kidnappers and rapists and the people on both sides who defend them refuse to look at the other perspective and so it continues. Do you want the violence to end?

Nothing justifies the actions on 7 October and the genocidal intent was clear.

Well Hamas deliberately started a war they couldn’t win by military means, knowing full well Israel would have no choice but to go into Gaza to dismantle capability for repeat attacks as any other country would.

They deliberately set Palestinians up as human sacrifices so Israel would be demonised on the world stage for going to war. They had two years planning to set the stage and had a unit of videographers and media officers to direct their insidious propaganda.

Hamas’s only real weapon, except when slaughtering and raping civilians in their homes, at music festivals and in bomb shelters, is propaganda heavily reliant on Jew hatred which they banked correctly on still being widespread and easily inflamed into a global hate machine.

’Genocide’ was declared before Israel were on the ground in Gaza IIRC and ‘famine’ has been declared every few months.

I remember an older Gazan man caught on video early in the war, shouting ‘Hamas lied to us’.

It could be assumed that Hamas either told them Israel would not dare to go into Gaza due to pressure from the global community or due to them holding all the hostages they were using as human shields.

I think RainbowBagels is probably closest to the truth.

These things are always linked to political motives and done to get an international response.

But to truly understand, we need to go way back to the treaty of Versailles, understand the Ottoman, French & British occupation of the region and then jump to 1948. and beyond- a fascinating bit of history.

The people raping,mutilating, torturing and murdering innocent covilians, then parading their bodies, laughing, cheering, gloating, filming were motivated by visceral hatred. Nothing to do with the bloody Treaty of Versailles.

And yet this type of hatred runs very deep and is passed on over generations.

Looking at historical events especially colonial rule can give real understanding about how deep and far reaching these events are.

Here’s a video of starving, genocided, Gazans (with fresh hair cuts and clean clothes in a war zone) lamenting how the actions of Oct 7th affected them.

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1975330644621131801

Of course, but however appalling your history a person can stop and think raping and mutilating this woman in front of me is not the right thing to do and I'm not going to do it. Many, many people and nations suffered upheaval, hideous conflict and oppression in the first half of the 20th century. Its not an excuse for the level of barbarity witnessed on 7 october.

Funny how Gazans, who the IDF are alleging indiscriminately genociding, think of the IDF as ‘sheep’ but in the West, the IDF are labelled blood thirsty, baby killing, monsters.

Passed over generations due to brainwashing.

We generally pick up on our parents/caregivers hate. Kids soak up everything and want to please them.

It’s quite simple.

Few have the courage or strength to question and break free from childhood programming because it generally means they fit in anymore.

Mosab Hassan Yousef is a case in point and hated for it.

Nothing justifies what Israel has been doing over the last 2 years either. And what Israel has done was on a much bigger scale.

Could you not just sit with the truth of the statement you replied to, without minimisation?

" But Gaza" is a tired and too obvious deflection tactic used to stifle reasoning that gets in the way of Gazans Are The Only Worthy Victims propaganda that has been going on for the last two years.

Great post

Absolutely. Hamas’s objective has never been Palestinian welfare or statehood. Hamas has two objectives: the destruction of the State of Israel, and the creation of a borderless Caliphate.

It wouldn’t have happened had Hamas not launched their horrific attack two years ago. And they knew exactly what they were doing.

I think that’s quite a good explanation.

Palestinians are not the only people in history who’ve experienced hardship and injustice.
Of course, they can choose to pass their grievances on over generations, that will hardly lead to peace and prosperity though.

I think that may be more acceptable to say if their hardship is in the past, but for the Palestinians their struggles in Gaza and the West Bank are still very much ongoing.