Laura Kuensberg PLO representative - insulting to UK

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So there was a PLO representative on politics today who essentially ranted about the UK having to feel colonial guilt over Palestine and happy we finally recognised the state. At no point during the interview did the representative suggest the borders for any Palestinian state should be as current but only made references to historic wrongs which many will interpret as the formation of Israel. The guy (it's always a man) really did think that the recognition of a Palestinian state by the UK was an acknowledgment Israel shouldn't be formed.....a Hamas propaganda coup. (Thanks Keir).

At least Laura made a statement that the description of the war in Gaza as genocide by the representative was not the view of the BBC.

PLO? Not Palestinian authority? I thought they'd rebranded like Windscale.

Oh dear. Rewards for oct 7th coming

Sorry PA....

Basically a guy stating Britain has admitted its role in setting up Israel was wrong in other words the recognition of the Palestinian state is being interpreted as Israel being removed by those in Plaestinian leadership circles. Such a stupid move by the UK government.....don't people realise Palestianians view a Palestianian state as reaching from the river to the sea.....God knows there have been plenty of chants.

Mahmoud Abbas is 89, in the 20th year of his 4(?) year term, who is waiting in the wings, and how will they manage hamas wannabes in the west bank and beyond ? Did Laura ask?
PA have a reputation of being hard-line at law and order.

I wonder what will happen to 'pay to slay' and school curriculums.

I'd imagine if Palestine became a country they would pay their army to 'slay' people just like Israel and every other country that have the right to self determination do. Hopefully they would use their army for defence and not for genocide, illegal occupation and apartheid like Israel do.

It's about time Palestinians were given the same right to self defence as everybody else.

Probably increase it, now they get rewarded for terrorism

Well they used their government to launch a huge terrorist attack along with numerous 'ordinary people '. Hamas is a brutal terrorist organisation. They still haven't given up the hostages or dead bodies of the ones they killed.

Wouldn't it be lovely if they spent the billions in aid to Palestine to actually improve conditions rather than building tunnels or firing rockets at their neighbour. Taught hatred as children as per Son of Hamas, rewarded to be martyrs, until that changes........

Their army already had a crack at genocide, though some people called it self defence.
Their country will be judenfrei and feudal, which is rebranded apartheid.
Leadership will matter, what will they choose?

They don't have an army as you well know.

Personally, I don't think they will get a chance to choose leadership because Israel will continue deny their right to exist and use their army to aid their terrorist settlers in seizing Palestinian land. Netanyahu himself, the man elected by Israelis to represent them, said 'This land is ours'. The plans are already in place and have been for a long time, it's too little too late from the UK.

Fuck that -I feel no “colonial guilt” whatsoever.

Neither do I expect other countries such as Germany to carry on feeling guilty for past atrocities committed by soldiers either dead now or extremely old.

Look forward not back & don’t hold historic grudges or guilt.

Palestine would be a very poor state of ever a state was created. It's closest trading neighbour Israel would be loath to set up deals or allow immigration which would be it's perfect right. Gaza would become a welfare state without a functioning economy. Try driving through Manchester or Birmigham and imagine have to build these cities from scratch with modern buildings and infrastructure and estimate the cost......not cheap. Who would supply the money to make the state of Palestine justifiable. Rich Arab states....they have better investments. Maybe the UK if a loon like Corbyn or Sultana were elected?

there are developing countries worldwide much more worthy of western investment and Palestine does not have some God given right for some mythical donor to pull out a massive cheque book.

Brigades, uniforms, command structure, weaponry, communication hubs, training camps, recruitment officers....what's in a name?

So what should happen with the land and population there currently instead if a state is not created.

They are a welfare state. Its a shame their leadership doesn't put their money towards improving things for their people. Im not sure too many countries want to keep giving billions to a welfare state that never seems to want to help itself out.

BBC Radio 4 did a good, clear resume this afternoon of the history of Britain’s involvement in Palestine.
The report on this history begins 5:30 minutes in:

The World this Weekend
Britain and Palestine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002js8f?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

The stupidity of our terrorist-loving government will never cease to amaze me

So an army can carry out a terrorist attack now? The people who wouldn't stop yammering on about the BBC not describing Hamas as a terrorist org seemed to think there was a lot in a name.

I was interested to learn that Jewish terrorists in Israel attacked the British and were one of the reasons they gave up their mandate.

Most arab countries without oil wealth are a bit of a mess tbh. Trying really hard to think of one thats actually stable. Poor governance, corruption (tbf the PA is probably less corrupt than the leaderships of many neighbouring countries). Think the forst thing that would happen in an independent Palestinian state would be civil war to be frank.

I do actually think there needs to be a Palestinian state but I don’t think this intervention was very helpful, useful or anything other than a bit of politicking.

I suspect the idealogues have not thought through the consequence of their actions..

It was interesting the the PA representative was visibly angered when free and fair elections were mentioned and he kept stating 'it's not our behaviour that's the problem'. I think all senior Palestinians know that there will be nothing truly democracy is about a new state. We also know any new state will have laws that will subjugate women yet everyone is in a rush to see this happen.

Just the women then? And not another religion? Like it is in Israel?

https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/the-hamas-terrorist-organization/the-status-of-women-in-gaza/

this sounds lovely......

Israel will be made to pay for the damage they have inflicted and war crimes committed. Personally I think it’s likely Israel will struggle to find countries to trade with and Palestine will find many people willing and eager to offer a hand.