As a compassionate gesture we accept I'll children from Gaza but will they return?

[mids2019]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr4qn6gxekxo
If course going and argue with treating injured and I'll children but I don't think Yvette Cooper has considered whether the children sending the children back to a a war zone after treatment would be rather cruel.

I personally think what is India's here is the young Gazans will be given asylum in the UK and possibly their families could join them. Given UK attitudes towards asylum seekers currently this is a bit of a political risk.

How do you balance compassion for injured children with setting precedent for mass asylum seeking from Gaza where there are sadly many injured childden? How do you choose which children to treat for instance and which UK patients to push down the waiting lists to accommodate them?

Is this feature politics to try and hold on to the Muslim vote!

Sorry for the typos

There are plenty of good hospitals in Egypt and the middle East more generally so why great children in hospitals in a country thousands of miles away. Surely testing children in more local countries really let reduces the risk of travel on treatment outcomes? Saudi can pay Ronaldo 500 million a year in salary for football yet the UK has the bill for treating Gazans?....hmmmmm......are we having taken for a ride?

I don't care if they go back, I'm happy we're helping.

You can edit your post to fix them.

@mids2019 strange thing to get annoyed about IMO. We're talking a very small number of sick children. Hardly something for a civilised person to rally against.

I notice the BBC has its own typo in the caption for the first picture.

I don't understand why they aren't being taken to Jordan or Egypt or one of the many Muslim countries. Surely it would be better for these children and their families to be in safe countries with their own religion and culture. We should be pressurising the wealthy counties of the middle east to step up, not bringing yet more people here.

So on the surface as humans you can't argue with treating sick and injured children.

However the children aren't going to be shipped onto planes after treatment and driven to rent cities in Gaza. So we have to accept in reality this and accepting asylum seekers from Gaza in compassionate grounds. If we are accepting asylum seekers from Gaza probably utterly traumatised, psychologically damaged, and socially displaced has any thought been given to integration with UK society.

How will these Gazan children process trauma is a culture divorced from theirs where they will eventually see media both supportive and anti Israeli action. I think long term the children would be much more socially comfortable in the middle east. Also I think you have to question whether a Palestinian would feel aggrieved being in a country with a close alignment with the US that supplies Israeli weapons speaking a language which is probably associated with the colonial powers that set up Israel as a state intially. Long term the political confusion will be hard for these children and young adults....5 years on are these kids going to claiming pip in council accommodation being harassed by Tommy Robinson supporters as terrorists.

The road to hell, pavements and good intentions spring to mind.

They don't want them. Never did.

It's gesture politics at its most cynical. Maybe the children will be flown to Jordan or Egypt but that begs the question why not simply to e then treatment fhere? Labour realise they are leaking Muslim votes and so some one in the home office comes up with a plan to treat injured children in hospitals thousands of miles away with presumably few Arabic speakers. It's like something out of the thick of it. 'Were tanking in the polls with Muslims so let's get the publicity of treating a few injured kids in UK hospitals......let's make sure we get plenty of shots of them hugging toys while being treated to show how virtuous we are'

It's gesture politics at its most cynical. Maybe the children will be flown to Jordan or Egypt but that begs the question why not simply to e then treatment fhere? Labour realise they are leaking Muslim votes and so some one in the home office comes up with a plan to treat injured children in hospitals thousands of miles away with presumably few Arabic speakers. It's like something out of the thick of it. 'Were tanking in the polls with Muslims so let's get the publicity of treating a few injured kids in UK hospitals......let's make sure we get plenty of shots of them hugging toys while being treated to show how virtuous we are'

Up to 50 children accompanied by "family members". We are possibly importing Hamas members who will never go back.

I always used to wonder why it was so hard to get children out of Germany during the Reich.

With attitudes like this I understand.

No one in their right mind could possibly think that getting children who need medical treatment (or any children for that matter) out of Gaza is anything other than the right thing to do. And I for one certainly hope they do not get 'sent back' unless and until Gaza is a safe place for everyone who lives there.

I think the people objecting to this forget a couple of things.

1. Their humanity. These are sick children. Only a sick mind would deny them help.
2. Palestinians don’t want to come to the UK to seek asylum. They want their homeland!

As ever, the key to reducing the numbers of refugees is to stop destroying their homelands. Stop arming Isreal. Sanctions now.

Sometimes, helping a child is the only thing that matters. The politics really don't.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg5v2rjp84ro

Jordan aims to take 2000 sick children.

I always used to wonder why it was so hard to get children out of Germany during the Reich.
With attitudes like this I understand.

Indeed

They are. You can’t think that the handful we’ve taken are all the injured children?

Of those evacuated from Gaza, Egypt has taken 60%, 30% have gone to Jordan & the UAE, America took a few, France, Spain, & Turkey have also received some children for treatment.

It’s great that some posters have taken time out from putting up flags and attending anti-immigration protests to post on this thread. Care to share your time management skills?

There are thousands and thousands of children who have been murdered by Israel and you're bothered by a few who have been injured by the same cruel regime coming to UK for medical help?
Every single day young Palestinian children are murdered by Israel yet the very few coming to UK bother you?
I pity you for thinking the way you do and further trying to politicise a humane gesture.

Of course we aren't going to send them back to a war zone once they are recovered. That would be mad. We aren't bringing all the children here, we are bringing a tiny fraction which is proportionate to our ability to help, snd lots of other countries are doing similar. All civilised countries that value human dignity want to do their fair share to help. In civilised countries hopefully the voices who reckon that selfishly guarding our resourses and borders and its therefore better to allow foreign children to die or let other countries do more than their fair share will be a minority, free to speak bit not influential enough to stop the majority from doing what is right. The countries where that's not true, and the antihumanitarian voices win, are no longer in the category of "civilised countries" so I hope that doesn't happen in the uk.

5 years on are these kids going to claiming pip in council accommodation being harassed by Tommy Robinson supporters as terrorists.

Your right wing politics are showing.

It's ok to bomb all the hospitals there's Hamas in there.

It's ok to kill and detain the medics and illegally detain the doctors they are definitely linked to Hamas.

It's ok to ban the import of medical supplies Hamas are using them to make rockets.

Now you expect us to take 30 sick kids, why do they have to come over here? It's a disgrace.

Were tanking in the polls with Muslims so let's get the publicity of treating a few injured kids in UK hospitals......let's make sure we get plenty of shots of them hugging toys while being treated to show how virtuous we are'

Not the only thing showing.

Or alternatively in ten years time some of these children will be the doctors and nurses treating you in your old age, the tax payers making sure your pension is covered, the volunteers bringing you tea in your lunch club, the counsellor working hard to make sure the pavements in your borough are well maintained so you don’t fall going to the shops for your teabags, the science teachers ensuring your grandchildren still have access to specialist teachers at secondary school.

Of you Google 'best hospitals in Saudi Arabia and Dubai' the facilities are fantastic so there are other options. Many gulf states are incredibly rich and could provide great facilities for the people they purportedly support.

We also have to look at cost. It is good Jordan is accepting child casualties but it is opaque who is paying for the treatment and whether the Jordanian government is getting any financial support for providing the healthcare. As children in Jordanian hospitals aren't likely to return to Gaza the Jordanian government are probably touchy about whether treatment of ill children is the thin edge of the wedge into accepting Palestinian refugees.

To take on foreign children for expensive treatment from an NHS WHO can't service it's own population is bound to ruffle feathers and how has the capacity in paediatric departments suddenly increased from no where? We are spending tax payers money on feature politics and if we are setting a precedent for accepting ill children from abroad how is that going to be suatainable? I am surprised no one has accused the British government of supporting ethnic cleansing by accepting children who will likely not return to Gaza.

I think people really do have a point about Palestinian children of allowed to stay being prone to radicalisation. I am saying this not as a racist stereotype but our of being genuinely concerned about a lot of these children having kind standing grievances against Israelis and by extension Jews. It would be disingenuous to think that these children after what they have witnessed or suffered to be accepting of a society where Israel is accepted as a state and an ally. In terms of history the children would learn a while new world viewpoint in the UK that would utterly contradict what they learned in Hamas ran schools in Gaza leading to utter confusion and the children would probably feel they were being indoctrinated. Immersed in UK/US culture the children would feel very much out of place and God knows what their future psychology will be like.