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Hamas discussing US 'ideas' for Gaza ceasefire after Trump's 'last warning'

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Twiglets1 · 09/09/2025 05:16

BBC article reporting that on Sunday evening, Hamas put out a statement saying it had "received through the mediators some ideas from the American side aimed at reaching a ceasefire agreement" and that it welcomed the initiative.

"The movement is in constant contact with the intermediaries to develop these ideas into a comprehensive agreement that meets the needs of our people," it added.

Earlier in the day, US President Donald Trump had written on Truth Social: "Everyone wants the Hostages HOME. Everyone wants this War to end! The Israelis have accepted my Terms. It is time for Hamas to accept as well."

"I have warned Hamas about the consequences of not accepting. This is my last warning, there will not be another one!"

A senior Palestinian official familiar with the ceasefire efforts told the BBC that under the US proposal, all of the hostages would be released within the first 48 hours of a 60-day truce in exchange for Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails, including those serving life sentences and other lengthy terms, and detainees from Gaza.

During the first two weeks of the truce, the negotiations would cover key issues, including Hamas's disarmament, the formation of an independent governing body or administrative committee in Gaza, and arrangements for Israeli troop withdrawals, the official said. Humanitarian aid would also flow openly into Gaza.

The framework appeared to be aimed at creating a pathway to a broader settlement while addressing immediate humanitarian and security concerns.

Israeli media quoted political sources as saying that Israel was "seriously considering" the US plan, but also that Hamas was likely to have difficulty accepting it.

On Monday, Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Saar told a news conference in Budapest: "President Trump said it clearly yesterday, Israel said yes to his proposal. We are ready to accept a full deal that would end the war based on the cabinet's decision.

"Two things must happen. One, the return of our hostages… [Two], Hamas must lay down its arms."

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0rxl7jwwpo

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TreesTreesBeesBees · 09/09/2025 22:28

Anyway, "how easy if the fairy tale were true. But like all fairy tales, it isn’t. In fact, drawing an analogy between the conflict in Northern Ireland and the Middle East is not simply unjustified; it is an error of the grossest kind. And it directly threatens Israel’s well-being by justifying demands for Israeli concessions to an enemy that is very different—and, yes, far worse—than the enemy Britain faced in Northern Ireland."

Why compare apples and oranges

TreesTreesBeesBees · 09/09/2025 22:36

Anyway, "how easy if the fairy tale were true. But like all fairy tales, it isn’t. In fact, drawing an analogy between the conflict in Northern Ireland and the Middle East is not simply unjustified; it is an error of the grossest kind. And it directly threatens Israel’s well-being by justifying demands for Israeli concessions to an enemy that is very different—and, yes, far worse—than the enemy Britain faced in Northern Ireland."

Why compare apples and oranges

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 22:38

TreesTreesBeesBees · 09/09/2025 22:28

Anyway, "how easy if the fairy tale were true. But like all fairy tales, it isn’t. In fact, drawing an analogy between the conflict in Northern Ireland and the Middle East is not simply unjustified; it is an error of the grossest kind. And it directly threatens Israel’s well-being by justifying demands for Israeli concessions to an enemy that is very different—and, yes, far worse—than the enemy Britain faced in Northern Ireland."

Why compare apples and oranges

I don't know why on earth that comparison is still made.

TreesTreesBeesBees · 09/09/2025 22:48

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 22:38

I don't know why on earth that comparison is still made.

It was spread a lot on various media sites and many people looking for simplistic solutions use it. Just sit and negotiate with Hamas and bingo peace for all. Black and white simple to understand and regurgitate. Hamas are a different breed. They don't give a shit about the children, the wives they are all expendables to wipe Israel out. The ideology is nothing like the struggle in Ireland.

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 22:51

TreesTreesBeesBees · 09/09/2025 22:48

It was spread a lot on various media sites and many people looking for simplistic solutions use it. Just sit and negotiate with Hamas and bingo peace for all. Black and white simple to understand and regurgitate. Hamas are a different breed. They don't give a shit about the children, the wives they are all expendables to wipe Israel out. The ideology is nothing like the struggle in Ireland.

Yes, the insight into Hamas et al, as terrorists, is frightening. A whole breed apart from NI troubles. Son of Hamas explains it well.

TreesTreesBeesBees · 09/09/2025 23:06

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 22:51

Yes, the insight into Hamas et al, as terrorists, is frightening. A whole breed apart from NI troubles. Son of Hamas explains it well.

Son of Hamas is worth reading to see how different they think to people in the west.

Twiglets1 · 10/09/2025 04:35

cupfinalchaos · 09/09/2025 21:38

This is what I don’t understand.. there will always be a son, nephew, grandson.. I can’t see how it’s possible to end this.

You can’t negotiate with terrorists with a death cult like Hamas.

I don’t think anyone knows how to “end this” ideology but targeting Hamas leaders is at least hurting the people at the top who planned 7/10.

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Twiglets1 · 10/09/2025 05:56

Times of Israel reporting today that Israel are "increasingly optimistic" about the results of the strike.

Despite claiming that Israel had failed in the operation, Hamas offered no immediate proof that its top leaders had survived. The terror group has been known in the past to only confirm the death of its leaders weeks or months after the fact.

Most of Hamas’s leadership in Gaza has been killed during the past two years of war with Israel, but until now, its political leadership abroad has been mostly untouched. Notable exceptions were former politburo chief Ismail Haniyeh, who was assassinated on a visit to Iran, and his former deputy Saleh al-Arouri, who was killed in Beirut, both in 2024.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-strikes-hamas-chiefs-in-qatar-terror-group-insists-senior-leaders-unharmed/

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IWFH · 10/09/2025 06:06

The Tower magazine is hardly an unbiased source...
Contrary opinions concerning similarities between Gaza and Ireland are available.

artsci.usu.edu/social-sciences/political-science/international-studies/aggies-go/news/ireland_palestine_shared_history

PaxAeterna · 10/09/2025 07:42

TreesTreesBeesBees · 09/09/2025 22:25

Interesting article looks at the fairytale and simplistic thinking assuming this conflict could be solved like Northern Ireland.

"On the False Parallel Between Gaza and Northern Ireland"

Here

http://www.thetower.org/article/on-the-false-parallel-between-gaza-and-northern-ireland/

This isn’t a very well written article. Does it even mention loyalist groups? It insists that l Britain “won” and the “Ira” lost (this is quite a recent viewpoint I’ve seen pushed in right wing sources. Only in the last 10 years.) but that spectacularly misses the point and forgets that some of those in the IRA rose to power later (politically) Everyone made massive concessions and everyone won something too. But it misses that peace wasn’t gained between the IRA and the British government. It was between two divided communities in Ni - which wasn’t/isn’t easy and didn’t happen instantly. That was very important, as otherwise other armed groups would have formed, more so than they did. It also misses that it’s key reason for success was that It offered a peaceful political path to a united Ireland. Nobody gave up on a united ireland - it became a political fight rather than a violent fight.

But clearly, the situations are very different. I don’t think I have read anything saying the situations are the same. They share some features and there are lessons from the peace process that could have been passed on if there were different parties involved. There isn’t even one voice for peace in this now.

PaxAeterna · 10/09/2025 11:06

Also just to add on that. Other armed spin off groups/violent incidents did form in NI. The Omagh bombing happened just after the agreement was signed. The Holy Cross school situation happened in the 2000’s.

But the GFA got the majority on to the same page, committing to a political rather than violent solution and this is what takes away the power of those who remain committed to violence.

If you are interested in finding a peaceful political solution for Palestine/Israel then there are lots of lessons in the GFA. About power sharing - even when imperfect. About how the participation of the communities involved is critical, how reconciliation was built in, how international support is key.

Reducing it to a won/lost argument is the simplistic approach.

TreesTreesBeesBees · 10/09/2025 17:21

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Scentofgeranium · 10/09/2025 21:19

If Northern Ireland were under Eire then the Irish who hated the British wouldn't imo continue to bomb places in England.
I’d say the loyalist (British) terrorists in NI would be a mite upset though…

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