Hamas response shows it doesn’t want deal

[Twiglets1]

US special envoy to the Mideast Steve Witkoff announces that Washington is calling back its negotiators from hostage talks in Doha and will pursue “alternative options” after the latest response from Hamas “clearly shows a lack of desire to reach a ceasefire in Gaza.”

“While the mediators have made a great effort, Hamas does not appear to be coordinated or acting in good faith,” Witkoff says in his statement. “We will now consider alternative options to bring the hostages home and try to create a more stable environment for the people of Gaza.”

“It is a shame that Hamas has acted in this selfish way. We are resolute in seeking an end to this conflict and a permanent peace in Gaza,” Witkoff adds.

Witkoff doesn’t elaborate on what “alternative options” the US might consider, and it’s unclear if the statement is an attempt to ratchet up pressure on the terror group to compromise.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-response-shows-it-doesnt-want-deal-witkoff-says-as-us-team-leaves-gaza-talks/

I just read a post on Instagram that said the 2 new pieces of propaganda being spun are 1. That it's all the UNs fault that babies are starving and 2. That there will be false stories and narratives about Hamas impeding a ceasefire. Apparently the last Israeli proposal included creating a camp for Palestinians before their expulsion from Gaza.

I don't know how true this is but I find it fascinating how first there is anti UN posts everywhere on mumsnet today, now this.

What is your understanding of what was in the ceasefire agreement that Hamas turned down? If what I read is true do you think Hamas should have agreed to Palestinians being moved to camps before their expulsion from their homeland forever?

I'm not on Instagram (or any social media really unless MN counts) so have not seen any posts like that.

What you have read on Instagram sounds like maybe just people's opinions? I don't agree that it's ALL the UNs fault that babies are starving but they should take some responsibility imo.

It is factual that the US is cutting short Gaza ceasefire talks and bringing its negotiating team home from Qatar and so is Israel. I'm guessing the US wouldn't be doing that if they felt any progress was being made, given that Trump very much wants an agreement to be reached.

Where did you read that the last Israeli proposal included creating a camp for Palestinians before their expulsion from Gaza? This would be something worth discussing on this thread if it is from a reputable source.

I have no knowledge of what was in the ceasefire agreement that Hamas turned down. I didn't even know they had turned it down until I just read it this evening in the source I quoted from.

Like I said I read it on an Instagram post that's why I said I don't know if it is true.

Your post title of Hamas response shows it doesn't want a deal is pretty meaningless though unless you know what is in that deal surely? That's my point really. Plopping around the Internet saying Hamas don't want a deal when you have no idea at all what things the deal included is a bit, I don't know, daft maybe?

If for example the deal included camps and the expulsion of Palestinians surely nobody would expect that deal to be signed because it is signing off on ethnic cleansing.

Maybe wait and gather all information before making big declarations that by your own admission you don't know anything about.

I don't think this is news. Hamas don't want a deal, they don't care about civilians at all. They're Islamist fundamentals who it seems do have support from a bigger proportion of the Gazan population than the " pro Palestinian" lobby in the west would like to believe. ( They'd be likely to be murdered or thrown off a building there btw if they actually went there) But they still come out and lobby against Israel.

And this is also why neighbouring Arab countries won't take refugees...because so many of them are radicalised. They've been burned before and won't risk it again.

We don't know whether the creation of a camp to move all Palestinians to was part of the ceasefire deal.

What we do know, is that this plan to move all Palestinians to a single camp in the southern tip of Gaza and clear the rest of Gaza of Palestinians has already been announced by the Israeli defence minister. He also stated construction would start "during a ceasefire".

www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rp31lk7mzo

Nail on head.

It's what the media are widely reporting, not just the Times of Israel but loads of other sources too, like The Independent.

Details of the proposed deal may well come out later, but in the meantime all we know for a fact is that it is another failed attempt at a ceasefire despite the US very much wanting to negotiate a ceasefire.

The title of the thread is from the article I posted a link to and is the view expressed by the US special envoy to the Mideast Steve Witkoff. It wasn't supposed to be a "big declaration" but rather a thread title to attract people's interest which in turn could lead to a debate.

One reason neighbouring countries won't take more refugees on is because there is no indication whatsoever that Israel would ever allow them to return.

Jordan have already taken 2 million refugees. It costs a lot of money to do that, and it's not a rich country.

You wrote and chose the thread title. You now seem to be saying that you did it for clickbait? That's interesting and aligns with my first post really.

Like you say all we know is that it is another failed attempt, we don't know that Hamas are responsible for the failed attempt, we don't know anything so pushing an agenda via clickbait that it is all on Hamas is an interesting response to knowing nothing.

In a way it was clickbait ... but also I do believe the gist of what Steve Witkoff says as I consider him a reliable person to report back on why the US have called back their negotiators.

More reliable as a source of information than what you are reading on Instagram anyway.

And that they assassinated Anwar Sadat ( Egypt) Black sept ( Jordan) ...there's lots of reasons these 2 countries in particular don't want more Palestinian refugees. They are not all radicalised but how do you sort that out?

I'm reading you saying you have no idea what was in the deal and I believe that. That's why I find it so interesting that you still chose the title that you did.

Steve Witkoff, a billionaire New York real estate investor. Witkoff’s eponymous company describes itself as: “One part developer. One part investor. One part landscape-changer.”

^^That certainly tracks. You have more faith than me in a billionaire property developer.

Egyptian islamists assassinated Sadat.

And you have more faith in social media because you seem to be imagining an actual link between the musings of randomers on Instagram about Israel propaganda and Mumnset posts today.

https://www.euronews.com/2025/07/24/us-negotiators-cut-short-gaza-ceasefire-talks-saying-hamas-doesnt-want-peace

This seems to suggest the sticking point is again about Hamas giving up control of Gaza.

I saw on twitter that even the Qataris are getting annoyed now,

Just read more details emerging that (according to an unsourced report by the Kan Public Broadcaster) Hamas is demanding the release of Nukhba terrorists who participated in the October 7, 2023, massacre, in exchange for a temporary truce and release of hostages.

The terror group has not listed the individual prisoners it seeks to free, but for the first time since negotiations began it requests that members of its elite Nukhba force, the commando unit which spearheaded the October 7 attack, be released among other Palestinian prisoners, according to Kan.

A non-Israeli source involved in mediation efforts for a truce told The Times of Israel earlier today that Hamas’s proposal included trading 10 hostages for 200 security prisoners serving life-sentences, as well as 2,000 Gazans detained by Israel since October 7, without specifying if those prisoners include Nukhba terrorists.

According to the source, mediators believe that Hamas views the demand for 200 prisoners as an opening position and may be willing to compromise.

Israel has proposed a lower offer to release 125 life-term prisoners and 1,200 post-October 7 detainees, according to Channel 12 news.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-seeking-release-of-commandos-who-led-october-7-attack-in-hostage-swap-report/

The assassins of Anwar Sadat were Egyptians, part Egyptian Islamic Jihad.

You could nitpick at @Twiglets1 all night or you could add something substantial to the discussion? Just a thought.

I found this piece very insightful. Not necessarily about this specific failure in this stage of the negotiation but actually gets to the nub of the problem. Palestine wants statehood and without it Israel can claim protections to which they are not entitled and its Government is clear about its desire to claim the strip. Israel only offering a temporary cessation of hostilities. www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-861934

What are the reputable Secondary and Tertiary sources of information that do not use Hamas as their Primary Source that offer an opposing view?

Bear in mind that you appear to think that US and Israeli Primary sources are disreputable, so it goes without saying that Hamas Primary Source derived info that is the vast majority derived information of the opposing side has to be taken with a pinch of salt, too?

Especially as journalists are not permitted in Gaza by Israel.

And no opposing information out of Gaza hasn't passed through the Hamas funnel, regardless the reputation of the Secondary and Tertiary sources.

So what to do?

How arrogant. Out argued? 🙄

It's a bit of a 'foot stampy' comment isn't it? hey ho. Personal attacks don't often stand so there may be a deletion which can be speculated about by latecomers to the thread.
same old citme

Yep, another day another round of personal attacks. I've already eaten mine and it's not even 9 am!