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Conflict in the Middle East

How is forced starvation allowed?

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Tinycatnoise · 23/07/2025 22:28

The top story in the BBC right now is the starvation of Gazans by Israel. The images are horrifying and not dissimilar to seeing those images of concentration camps in Nazi Germany. I cried seeing those and am crying now. I am sure someone will claim antisemitism because of this statement, but anyone looking at these images of starving children would agree.

How is this still going on? I feel like we are watching a genocide take place that the world has turning a blind eye to. The daily shooting by Israel of people trying to get aid too is just barbaric. If nothing is being done to stop this, what is the next horror that will unfold in the world that people will just accept?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9xkx7vnmxo

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sualipa · 29/07/2025 11:49

Not often I agree with Trump but he is Israel's best ally. For all his base instincts has has some compassion in his cold dark heart and let's not forget he will have some of the best intelligence information available of any world leader.

Donald Trump told Israel to allow “every ounce of food” into Gaza as he acknowledged for the first time that there is “real starvation” in the region.

During a visit to Britain, the US president contradicted Benjamin Netanyahu after the Israeli prime minister claimed it was a “bold-faced lie” to say Israel was causing hunger in Gaza.

Trump is under increasing pressure to intervene in the humanitarian crisis, with dozens of Palestinians having died of hunger in recent weeks in a crisis attributed by the UN and other humanitarian organisations to Israel’s blockade of almost all aid into the territory.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/28/trump-acknowledges-real-starvation-in-gaza-and-tells-israel-to-let-in-every-ounce-of-food

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 29/07/2025 11:49

Voxon · 29/07/2025 09:26

Sigh. This is just bad faith. Sharon criticises your side in an online thread and suddenly she’s responsible for 20,000 dead kids, despite even Hamas putting the number at 17,000. Let’s be honest: a lot of people here aren’t driven by compassion. They’re here to bash Israel and they get very cross indeed if anyone tries to interfere.

Of course whats being discussed is relevant. Kids starving in Gaza is overwhelmingly down to Hamas who started a war and are in complete control. And more broadly, this entire war exists because some people don’t believe Jews have the right to live, let alone live freely in their ancestral homeland. That’s the core issue here.

“Let’s be honest: a lot of people here aren’t driven by compassion. They’re here to bash Israel and they get very cross indeed if anyone tries to interfere.”

That’s an incredibly cynical and insulting thing to say. Many of us are here because we’re driven by compassion- watching children starve, hospitals bombed, and families shattered.

To reduce that to “bashing Israel” is a lazy deflection and it erases the humanity of those suffering. It’s also deeply convenient- framing any moral outrage as political bias so you don’t have to engage with the facts.

This isn’t about interfering with a one-sided narrative. It’s about refusing to look away from mass suffering, no matter who’s responsible. That is compassion.

sualipa · 29/07/2025 12:38

There’s a simple way to clear this up once and for all: allow international journalists from reputable organisations into Gaza at their own risk so the world can get an objective view of what is actually happening. Israel has said it restricts access to Gaza for security reasons, claiming it cannot guarantee the safety of foreign journalists in an active conflict zone. But if journalists are willing to take that risk, and Israel still refuses, then we must ask whether the real concern is not their safety but what they might report.

SharonEllis · 29/07/2025 12:41

sualipa · 29/07/2025 12:38

There’s a simple way to clear this up once and for all: allow international journalists from reputable organisations into Gaza at their own risk so the world can get an objective view of what is actually happening. Israel has said it restricts access to Gaza for security reasons, claiming it cannot guarantee the safety of foreign journalists in an active conflict zone. But if journalists are willing to take that risk, and Israel still refuses, then we must ask whether the real concern is not their safety but what they might report.

That's terribly naive, at best. If any harm came to journalist you'll all be down on Israel like a ton of bricks!

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 29/07/2025 12:44

sualipa · 29/07/2025 12:38

There’s a simple way to clear this up once and for all: allow international journalists from reputable organisations into Gaza at their own risk so the world can get an objective view of what is actually happening. Israel has said it restricts access to Gaza for security reasons, claiming it cannot guarantee the safety of foreign journalists in an active conflict zone. But if journalists are willing to take that risk, and Israel still refuses, then we must ask whether the real concern is not their safety but what they might report.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMqb6gFsh81/?igsh=Z3UwMGJxZHZiZ25r

Sky News goes on board a Jordanian plane dropping aid over Gaza and Israel gives a clear warning - no recording of Gaza or the airdrops will be cancelled.

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMqb6gFsh81/?igsh=Z3UwMGJxZHZiZ25r

Alexandra2001 · 29/07/2025 12:49

sualipa · 29/07/2025 12:38

There’s a simple way to clear this up once and for all: allow international journalists from reputable organisations into Gaza at their own risk so the world can get an objective view of what is actually happening. Israel has said it restricts access to Gaza for security reasons, claiming it cannot guarantee the safety of foreign journalists in an active conflict zone. But if journalists are willing to take that risk, and Israel still refuses, then we must ask whether the real concern is not their safety but what they might report.

Sorry, x post!

Quite, IDF told journalists on aid flights "Do not film Gaza from the air or we will stop flights"

No risk to journalists, just a very clear attempt to stop the reporting of the destruction.

Though doubtless this is a lie and the sky news reporter who said it, is a Hamas supporter?

Journalists go into conflict zones all the time, some have been killed but as Israel has a great deal of control of Gaza & Hamas has been severely curtailed, the risks are possibly less than say they had in Syria recently.

sualipa · 29/07/2025 12:50

SharonEllis · 29/07/2025 12:41

That's terribly naive, at best. If any harm came to journalist you'll all be down on Israel like a ton of bricks!

At their own risk, as they have done in many other war zones in the past. But that is no longer being allowed. The first casualty of war is truth, and controlling the media narrative has become a strategic priority in nearly all theatres of war . When access is denied and independent reporting is suppressed, it creates an information vacuum and nature abhors a vacuum.

And in the absence of verifiable facts, propaganda, misinformation, and speculation can take hold. That's why letting journalists in is not just about transparency; it's about preventing the spread of distortion and holding all sides accountable.If Isarel has nothing to hide it has nothing to fear and letting Douglas Murray sit in Shinwar's final resting place doesn't count and anyway he's not a journalist but a polemical progandist.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 29/07/2025 12:51

SharonEllis · 29/07/2025 12:41

That's terribly naive, at best. If any harm came to journalist you'll all be down on Israel like a ton of bricks!

It’s already the deadliest ever recorded for journalists- 232 killed.

kirinm · 29/07/2025 12:51

SharonEllis · 29/07/2025 12:41

That's terribly naive, at best. If any harm came to journalist you'll all be down on Israel like a ton of bricks!

Oh so journalists don’t ever report from war zones? Are you sure?

sualipa · 29/07/2025 12:52

kirinm · 29/07/2025 12:51

Oh so journalists don’t ever report from war zones? Are you sure?

Check this out intense fire and an obviouly fearful Sky News reporter.

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Kakeandkake · 29/07/2025 12:59

A sky news reporter joined in the airdrops yesterday and describes miles after miles of rubble. But they were warned if they took any images of it the government would stop the air aid drops.

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Gloriia · 29/07/2025 13:09

Alexandra2001 · 29/07/2025 12:49

Sorry, x post!

Quite, IDF told journalists on aid flights "Do not film Gaza from the air or we will stop flights"

No risk to journalists, just a very clear attempt to stop the reporting of the destruction.

Though doubtless this is a lie and the sky news reporter who said it, is a Hamas supporter?

Journalists go into conflict zones all the time, some have been killed but as Israel has a great deal of control of Gaza & Hamas has been severely curtailed, the risks are possibly less than say they had in Syria recently.

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If reporters went into gaza they'd be abducted, held hostage and expect the IDF to rescue them. You would think seasoned reporters like the BBC's Jeremy Bowen would understand this but he's become rather hysterical and biased of late.

Obviously the no filming thing from the flights will be to avoid revealing military positions I don't think that is rocket science is it. I bet you couldn't fly over Russia and take snaps either.

We've all seen how flattened gaza is there's nothing to reveal from an aerial shot from Bowen that drones and gazans haven't already shown us.

SharonEllis · 29/07/2025 13:10

kirinm · 29/07/2025 12:51

Oh so journalists don’t ever report from war zones? Are you sure?

Go back and show me where I said that please?

Gloriia · 29/07/2025 13:15

It's funny I don't recall Jeremy Bowen running about with isis in Raqqa taking selfies, didn't reporters have to keep well back then also and rely on insiders to relay info?

kirinm · 29/07/2025 13:17

SharonEllis · 29/07/2025 13:10

Go back and show me where I said that please?

You suggested we are all terribly naive to believe that journalists shouldn’t be allowed into Gaza because Israel would be blamed if any harm came to them. The implication therefore being that either journalists aren’t ever in war zones which is nonsense or that Israel are somehow responsible for their safety which is also nonsense.

If that isn’t what you meant, what did you mean?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 29/07/2025 13:17

Gloriia · 29/07/2025 13:09

If reporters went into gaza they'd be abducted, held hostage and expect the IDF to rescue them. You would think seasoned reporters like the BBC's Jeremy Bowen would understand this but he's become rather hysterical and biased of late.

Obviously the no filming thing from the flights will be to avoid revealing military positions I don't think that is rocket science is it. I bet you couldn't fly over Russia and take snaps either.

We've all seen how flattened gaza is there's nothing to reveal from an aerial shot from Bowen that drones and gazans haven't already shown us.

Seasoned journalists like Jeremy Bowen know the risks- they’re not running around hysterically. Maybe it’s easier to dismiss uncomfortable truths as ‘hysteria’ than to actually face what’s happening on the ground.

SharonEllis · 29/07/2025 13:24

kirinm · 29/07/2025 13:17

You suggested we are all terribly naive to believe that journalists shouldn’t be allowed into Gaza because Israel would be blamed if any harm came to them. The implication therefore being that either journalists aren’t ever in war zones which is nonsense or that Israel are somehow responsible for their safety which is also nonsense.

If that isn’t what you meant, what did you mean?

Obviously that's not what I meant. I meant what I said.

sualipa · 29/07/2025 13:27

Gloriia · 29/07/2025 13:09

If reporters went into gaza they'd be abducted, held hostage and expect the IDF to rescue them. You would think seasoned reporters like the BBC's Jeremy Bowen would understand this but he's become rather hysterical and biased of late.

Obviously the no filming thing from the flights will be to avoid revealing military positions I don't think that is rocket science is it. I bet you couldn't fly over Russia and take snaps either.

We've all seen how flattened gaza is there's nothing to reveal from an aerial shot from Bowen that drones and gazans haven't already shown us.

People say journalists would be abducted if they went into Gaza and expect the IDF to rescue them. But that’s not how it works. Reporters like Jeremy Bowen have worked in war zones for decades Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. They know the risks and don’t go in expecting special protection. What they do expect is the chance to do their job: independently verify what's happening and tell the world.

We’ve seen drone footage and videos from residents on the ground all over insta and the like. But that’s not the same as proper journalism. A trained reporter brings context, checks facts, and can challenge claims from all sides which is why israel spends so much time and energy smearing and attacking them.They want propaganda not truth and more than likely have so much to hide.

kirinm · 29/07/2025 13:31

SharonEllis · 29/07/2025 13:24

Obviously that's not what I meant. I meant what I said.

You said that if journalists went into Gaza then Israel would be blamed if anything happened to them. Despite the fact journalists go into war zones all the time.

So it’s all for the protection of journalists, no of Israel being blamed for journalists being injured and not at all to do with Israel avoiding accountability. Sure.

Alexandra2001 · 29/07/2025 13:31

Gloriia · 29/07/2025 13:15

It's funny I don't recall Jeremy Bowen running about with isis in Raqqa taking selfies, didn't reporters have to keep well back then also and rely on insiders to relay info?

So the complete destruction of Gaza over the last 2 years has achieved nothing, Hamas are in charge as before... who knew?

It would be up to the editorial teams and the journalists themselves, as in all war zones whether to go there or not & as Hamas are PR masters, kidnapping foreign journalists wouldn't be in their interests.

If we all know about the flatten of Gaza, why then ban filming? unless there is far more to see??

After all, there has been one poster on these threads saying that cafes and restaurants are booming in Gaza.. c/w insta and fb pages..... though they did go rather quiet when Israel blew one up, killing 13 people, possibly done because ONE Hamas might have been there.

ConscientiousObserver · 29/07/2025 13:45

Alexandra2001 · 29/07/2025 12:49

Sorry, x post!

Quite, IDF told journalists on aid flights "Do not film Gaza from the air or we will stop flights"

No risk to journalists, just a very clear attempt to stop the reporting of the destruction.

Though doubtless this is a lie and the sky news reporter who said it, is a Hamas supporter?

Journalists go into conflict zones all the time, some have been killed but as Israel has a great deal of control of Gaza & Hamas has been severely curtailed, the risks are possibly less than say they had in Syria recently.

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Hmm, do you not think it might have something to do with giving away the positions of soldiers, bases etc?

Are you a military expert who has fought in war zones such as this?

ConscientiousObserver · 29/07/2025 13:52

Alexandra2001 · 29/07/2025 13:31

So the complete destruction of Gaza over the last 2 years has achieved nothing, Hamas are in charge as before... who knew?

It would be up to the editorial teams and the journalists themselves, as in all war zones whether to go there or not & as Hamas are PR masters, kidnapping foreign journalists wouldn't be in their interests.

If we all know about the flatten of Gaza, why then ban filming? unless there is far more to see??

After all, there has been one poster on these threads saying that cafes and restaurants are booming in Gaza.. c/w insta and fb pages..... though they did go rather quiet when Israel blew one up, killing 13 people, possibly done because ONE Hamas might have been there.

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I wonder if all these international journalists desperate to get into Gaza have been told that they need to embed with the IDF which is why they are not going in?

I assume IDF will refuse to let them in, in any other circumstances considering what they are up against and the quite valid concern that some journalists may try to disrupt meaning lives are put in danger.

There has never been a war zone such as this from my research. Do you know one?

sualipa · 29/07/2025 13:53

Gloriia · 29/07/2025 13:09

If reporters went into gaza they'd be abducted, held hostage and expect the IDF to rescue them. You would think seasoned reporters like the BBC's Jeremy Bowen would understand this but he's become rather hysterical and biased of late.

Obviously the no filming thing from the flights will be to avoid revealing military positions I don't think that is rocket science is it. I bet you couldn't fly over Russia and take snaps either.

We've all seen how flattened gaza is there's nothing to reveal from an aerial shot from Bowen that drones and gazans haven't already shown us.

The Sky reporter is visibly moved when saying what she can see from the plane window of the utter destruction whilst banned from filming it.

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