Sexual violence as a weapon of war during October 7 massacre

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A new report providing the first legal framework for prosecuting Hamas terrorists for the use of sexual violence as a weapon of war during the October 7, 2023, massacre is being presented by the Dinah Project to First Lady Michal Herzog at the President’s Residence in Jerusalem.

The report confirms that Hamas systematically used rape and sexual violence as tools of war during the October 7 massacres and is the first to present a legal roadmap for identifying and pursuing justice for the use of sexual violence as a weapon of warfare, which constitutes a crime against humanity.

The gathering of primarily women notably includes former hostage Ilana Gritzewsky, who has publicly spoken about being sexually assaulted by her captors in Gaza.

“This report tells the truth as it is — shocking, painful, but necessary. On behalf of all those who were harmed, we are committed to continuing the fight until their cries are heard everywhere and justice is done,” says First Lady Michal Herzog.

“We carry here a universal message: that sexual violence cannot be accepted as a tool of war,” she says, drawing attention to the plight of the remaining 50 hostages, including Inbar Hayman, the single female captive who is believed to be dead.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-provides-legal-framework-to-prosecute-sexual-violence-during-oct-7-hamas-massacre/

@girljulian I don’t know. That’s up to them really. Has the threat been wiped out?

“What is also antisemitic is holding Jews around the world collectively responsible for the actions of Israel - and that happens every day, in attacks, abuse, vandalism, and exclusion. A problem which is escalated vastly by demonisation of things naturally associated with Jews, such as Israel.”

exactly!!! This is the whole point I am making but you seem to have turned it into a confused oxymoron. It’s antisemitic to hold Jews responsible for the actions of Israel. So why the hell are people continuing to defend Israel’s atrocities when all it’s doing is turning people against Jews?

Good! Glad to hear that at least she is home x

I think people in the west are particularly sensitive to it in the UK because of things like grooming gangs and repeated stories in the newspapers of sexual harassment and violence by refugees from predominantly muslim countries.

It pains me to point this out, I know many wonderful muslim people. But I do think this is where the sensitivity comes from. People don’t want it to become a feature of how muslims are seen. Unfortunately sexual violence is common in all war zones. The Russians have been brutal towards Ukrainian women and children.

Also it’s very hard to defend rape vs murder in a weird way. Murder can be painted as “resistance” (honestly I watched the video of that poor Thai man hacked to death and I don’t understand the thinking of people who justify 7th October with the whole “history didn’t start here”). Rape is always about degradation. I think also the fashion nowadays is to see rape purely in terms of power, I don’t believe that, some men are aroused by sexual violence. They weren’t all Hamas either, Palestinian civilians joined in.

No-one apart from the Russians would pretend that rape hasn’t happened in Ukraine, I don’t see rape denial about Syria or Sudan. This is very unique to Israeli women.

Have they got all the hostages back?

Has Hamas surrendered?

FFS!

Still 50 hostages - alive and dead (some were alive when taken) - their families and friends are watching 'the world' marching for peace Palestine and wondering why the marchers don't mention it.

What struck me about that were the men surrounding the dead, mangled body of a girl laughing and braying like she was some sort of hunting trophy. If Israelis had driven the half clothed mangled body of a Palestinian women through the streets of Tel aviv while Israeli men laughed and took videos we would be utterly disgusted.

People don’t believe men like that could be rapists is extraordinary to me.

Will they ever? Is this going well? Is it having the desired effect? Do you think murdering the entirety of Gaza is going to save the remaining hostages? Clearly not. But sure let’s keep killing innocent kids.

This is a thread about sexual violence perpetrated by one side to another. As stated up thread sexual violence should not be carried out however while making out only Israeli’s suffered. I don’t see any acceptance from you that Palestinians have suffered sexual violence against them, this states it happened right from the creation of Israel. Or are you saying the IDF have never carried out sexual violence??

The thread is about sexual violence during the October 7th massacre. You posted a screenshot from an account that is pro the Octover 7th massacre. Which is insensitive to say the least.

If you want to discuss a different topic maybe you can start a new thread. Or post it on one of your existing ones. Or find a source that isn't an antisemitic twitter account.

Hyperbole like this seems to be a common pro-Palestinian trait.

If Israel wanted to murder ‘the entirety of Gaza’, they would have done that long before now so I think we can deduce that they don’t.

What are your views on every other war where, very tragically, children are killed?

Are you saying Israel should have let Hamas (and the Palestinian participants) get away with Oct 7th and repeat it again and again as they vowed to for fear of Hamas using kids as human shields?

Good grief.

I think in every case where one side is exterminating children, they should stop doing that.

Oct 7th was awful but contrasted to what’s happened in Gaza since, it looks like nothing. And that’s Israel’s fault.

No-one apart from the Russians would pretend that rape hasn’t happened in Ukraine, I don’t see rape denial about Syria or Sudan. This is very unique to Israeli women.

Unfortunately it really isn't. Multiple women(presumably) on mumsnet have denied sexual violence has happened by Israelis to Palestinians. A whole report by the UN was written off as 'propaganda'. Perhaps unique to this conflict would be more accurate.

How desperate can you be to think a crime that happened 76 years ago, and the perpetrators punished for it, has any relevance to atrocities carried out less than two years ago!

Are you saying the Palestinians were justified in gangly raping, sexually torturing and murdering Israeli women because a Palestinian woman was raped and murdered 76 years ago?

I would expect any sexual violence carried out by the IDF was treated as a crime in the same way any sexual violence is and from remembering past new stories, it is.

“contrasted to what’s happened in Gaza since, it looks like nothing”

Good grief. Can’t you see what you have become? Do you not care?

How do you jump from me saying no sexual violence is justified to fabricating the concept that I am saying it was ok? Fiction.

Again, I’m saying it wasn’t ok then as it wasn’t ok in 2023, I’m not getting that from you. So why is it ok for sexual violence to handed out to Palestinians?

Do you not care? Clearly not.

Sexual violence has always been a weapon of war .

Why should Arab Palestinians have taken "what was offered" when it involved carving up their land and forcing them out of most of it to make a state for people from Europe?

Interpret it how you will, but the idea that this started in 2023 is absurd.

That doesn’t make it right!

War is inherently disgusting. It takes people to places they don’t want to go to but in this age passing out SA because the person was the other side is vile and abhorrent.

Are you not capable of reading a simple paragraph? See the last one of my previous post.

To bring up a historical rape from a side you support, which the perpetrator was punished for at the time, on a thread about present day sexual atrocities against scores of women from a side you don’t, including gang rape and torture, rather looks like you were trying to intimate ‘but they did that 76 years ago’ to me.

Which is desperate and despicable. None of those people are alive today so how is it relevant?

What point were you trying to make if it wasn’t that?

“A side”??? It’s not football!

Oh please! The Palestinians had no sovereignty over the land. Most of them were economic migrants from surrounding Arab countries, they had /have no more rights over ALL the land than the Jewish people.

Most fled when the Arab armies told them to so they could annihilate the tiny, brand new Jewish state without them in the way but the ‘great catastrophe’ happened and they failed.

There were no demands for their own State from 1948 to 1967 under Egypt and Jordan. Only when Israel once again defeated Arab armies and was lumbered with them. The Palestinians refused to declare their own state again and again.

People are common displaced in war, land is carved up. New states emerge.

What were Iraq. Syria, Lebanon and Jordan before 1919?

Why shouldn’t they?
Israel were gracious enough to accept what was offered.

😂at Israel being gracious about the land.