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Conflict in the Middle East

What would be a good deal?

49 replies

Nowayyousure · 15/06/2025 08:16

What to you would be a good deal?

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Nowayyousure · 15/06/2025 08:21

Briefly, to me:

Iran stop funding proxies to carry out terrorist attacks.

Hamas to lay down arms. No more missiles into Israel.

The Houthis to stop firing missiles into Israel.

Hezbollah to stop firing missiles into Israel.

Israel to deal with settlers in the west bank.

Israel to withdraw from Gaza and let a peace keeping group run until a new government formed.

Aid into gaza.

No more weapons smuggling into gaza via tunnels. Block them off.

Simplistic yes.

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Nowayyousure · 15/06/2025 09:16

Just shows its impossible to say what would keep everyone happy, but easy to criticise.

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PurpleChrayn · 15/06/2025 09:22

Hamas to stand down and release the Israeli hostages would be a good start!

catlovingdoctor · 15/06/2025 09:26

The Israeli cabinet and high command on a one-way trip to the Hague.

SharonEllis · 15/06/2025 09:28

catlovingdoctor · 15/06/2025 09:26

The Israeli cabinet and high command on a one-way trip to the Hague.

That's it? They are the only ones culpable in this mess, really?

SharonEllis · 15/06/2025 09:31

Nowayyousure · 15/06/2025 08:21

Briefly, to me:

Iran stop funding proxies to carry out terrorist attacks.

Hamas to lay down arms. No more missiles into Israel.

The Houthis to stop firing missiles into Israel.

Hezbollah to stop firing missiles into Israel.

Israel to deal with settlers in the west bank.

Israel to withdraw from Gaza and let a peace keeping group run until a new government formed.

Aid into gaza.

No more weapons smuggling into gaza via tunnels. Block them off.

Simplistic yes.

If you add the release of the hostages I don't see how anyone could argue. How to make it happen and be sustainable is the really hard bit.

TakeMe2Insanity · 15/06/2025 09:31

And what about all the underage Palestinians to be tried by military courts?
What about all the Palestinians forcibly having their homes taken from them?
What about all the people who have been detained without trial?

Theres so much more but OP list just sounds like poor Israel.

BuffaloCauliflower · 15/06/2025 09:32

I appreciate it’s simplistic but maybe give the Palestinians equal rights and their land back? If my family was forced from our home and then oppressed for 70 years, unable to move freely and treated as vermin by a colonial power, I’d probably bomb them too 🤷🏼‍♀️

Nowayyousure · 15/06/2025 09:52

TakeMe2Insanity · 15/06/2025 09:31

And what about all the underage Palestinians to be tried by military courts?
What about all the Palestinians forcibly having their homes taken from them?
What about all the people who have been detained without trial?

Theres so much more but OP list just sounds like poor Israel.

It wasn't meant to.

I did include dealing with the settlers and withdrawal from Gaza. Did you miss those points? Definitely not poor Israel.

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Nowayyousure · 15/06/2025 09:53

SharonEllis · 15/06/2025 09:31

If you add the release of the hostages I don't see how anyone could argue. How to make it happen and be sustainable is the really hard bit.

I'm sorry with hamas gone I assumed release of hostages but of course since not all held by hamas that isn't a given.

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Nowayyousure · 15/06/2025 09:54

TakeMe2Insanity · 15/06/2025 09:31

And what about all the underage Palestinians to be tried by military courts?
What about all the Palestinians forcibly having their homes taken from them?
What about all the people who have been detained without trial?

Theres so much more but OP list just sounds like poor Israel.

Trial on charges, if any, or release of all detainees too.

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WhineAndWine1 · 15/06/2025 10:17

Agreed with PP For Bibi and his whole cabinet to be tried at The Hague for their ongoing crimes against humanity.

Nowayyousure · 15/06/2025 10:24

WhineAndWine1 · 15/06/2025 10:17

Agreed with PP For Bibi and his whole cabinet to be tried at The Hague for their ongoing crimes against humanity.

That it, anything else?. Just try the cabinet of Israel and the middle east will be fine? Surely more needs to be done for a good deal for everyone.

Not really the point of thread just to bash Israel or its government, there's already enough of those threads. I was hoping for engagement in more what a good deal for all actually looks like.

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Stirabout · 15/06/2025 10:38

New leaders for
Iran
Israel
US
Russia
for a Start

There are too many war mongerers running the world.

Id also like Starmer to stop following blindly the lead of others. I wouldn’t be against a stronger leader to replace him either.

Whatsinanamehey · 15/06/2025 10:41

There can be no lasting peace without a two state solution.

Whatsinanamehey · 15/06/2025 10:42

Whatsinanamehey · 15/06/2025 10:41

There can be no lasting peace without a two state solution.

A fair two state solution.

Nowayyousure · 15/06/2025 10:44

Stirabout · 15/06/2025 10:38

New leaders for
Iran
Israel
US
Russia
for a Start

There are too many war mongerers running the world.

Id also like Starmer to stop following blindly the lead of others. I wouldn’t be against a stronger leader to replace him either.

Sure do need better leaders.

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Figcherry · 15/06/2025 10:48

My dn is in the army.
Would not want him to be put into Gaza to keep the peace.
He wouldn’t be safe from Hamas or the IDF.

Martymcfly24 · 15/06/2025 10:58

It's simplistic but I think it covers all the areas .
As pp have said remaining hostages/innocent prisoners on both sides released .

Hamas completely disbanding as an entity.

Removal of Netanyahu and his hardliners.

Full withdrawal from Israel not the situation that existed before October 7th.

I think a cross party body/council between Israel and Palestine to deal with the issues with dialogue that will arise before it involves the gun would be a good idea. Even in a two state solution the two sides are inexplicably linked and have a shared history.

How do you think the issue of reparations to Gaza from the damage caused by shelling should be dealt with?

Nowayyousure · 15/06/2025 11:11

Martymcfly24 · 15/06/2025 10:58

It's simplistic but I think it covers all the areas .
As pp have said remaining hostages/innocent prisoners on both sides released .

Hamas completely disbanding as an entity.

Removal of Netanyahu and his hardliners.

Full withdrawal from Israel not the situation that existed before October 7th.

I think a cross party body/council between Israel and Palestine to deal with the issues with dialogue that will arise before it involves the gun would be a good idea. Even in a two state solution the two sides are inexplicably linked and have a shared history.

How do you think the issue of reparations to Gaza from the damage caused by shelling should be dealt with?

All makes sense.

No idea how rebuilding costs since both hamas and Israel involved in a conflict. The aid gaza receives needs spending on food, health supplies first. Actual aid for rebuilding not stolen or taken by corruption for quick build structures since years to actually rebuild.

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Martymcfly24 · 15/06/2025 11:24

Nowayyousure · 15/06/2025 11:11

All makes sense.

No idea how rebuilding costs since both hamas and Israel involved in a conflict. The aid gaza receives needs spending on food, health supplies first. Actual aid for rebuilding not stolen or taken by corruption for quick build structures since years to actually rebuild.

Hopefully if a proper governing body is put in place there won't be the the level of corruption that diverts aid/money.

Can I add Trump to have nothing to do with the whole thing as wishful thinking...

Deafnotdumb · 15/06/2025 13:07

OK.

  1. Israel gets their hostages back. Hamas dead or in political exile. The war ceases.
  2. A peace commission is set up with two explicit aims:
a) A lasting peace and settlement for the Palestinian people that includes the release or fair trial of all prisoners, democratic government and autonomy. No more Israeli settlements. In return, Israel will have peace and safety. There will be a process in place to deal with the nutters on both sides. I'm envisaging something like the NI Good Friday agreement. It's not perfect, but I don't think anyone in Northern Ireland, Ireland or the rest of Britain wants to go back what it was like before. b) Gaza gets rebuilt. And - for it to be given a fighting chance at prosperity - a ruling council. The Palestinians absolutely keep their land, their pride and their neighbourhood. However, if we want peace to be permanent, we also need a free flow of trade and people to come and go. That means the chance for Israeli and Arab businesses to work in Gaza and Israeli people being able to rent and buy storefront spaces or property there. I want to make this clear - NOT genocide and NOT land clearance or domicide. It's done under Palestinian wishes and rules to drive investment for them. c) Stop the permanent refugee status. The peace commission settles this once and for all. d) Stop the killings in the West Bank. We need to end the political vacuum that exists in there, too.

This won't be easy. When we talk about a two-state solution, people never mention the details. A narrow strip of land with three governments, three sets of laws (Gaza, Israel, West Bank), three armies, different currencies and checkpoints? How would foreign policy work and visitor admission through the airports?

There's lots of practical problems to consider, but it alm starts with both side sitting down and talking.

WhineAndWine1 · 15/06/2025 16:21

@NowayyousureFair enough I get that this isn’t meant to be just another "bash Israel" thread. But if we’re talking seriously about what a good deal looks like, we need to name the core problem: Zionism, as a political project, has always relied on the displacement and domination of Palestinians.

So no, it’s not just about Netanyahu or a new cabinet though his leadership has certainly made things worse. But let’s be real: if Bibi were pro-peace, why is he constantly bombing Gaza, Syria, Lebanon and now Iraq. You don’t call that a peace strategy you call that sustained regional aggression backed by overwhelming military power.

A genuine solution has to be rooted in justice, not just diplomacy. Palestinians aren’t a problem to be managed they are a people entitled to land, dignity, and full rights.

For me, a just deal means:

Ending the occupation and apartheid system entirely
Full right of return for Palestinian refugees not watered-down compromises
Dismantling Zionist structures that institutionalise privilege and separation
Accountability for decades of war crimes, displacement, and ethnic cleansing

Whether that takes the form of a single democratic state or something else, the bottom line is this: if the “deal” preserves inequality and dispossession, it’s not a peace plan it’s a PR stunt.

Twiglets1 · 15/06/2025 17:21

Sounds good to me @Nowayyousure

As long as it includes the return of all the hostages ❤️

MushMonster · 15/06/2025 17:35

I think your list is fine and with the return of hostages and new leadership would sort the main problems.
But we do need that change in leadership, including Netanyahu's government.
Why? Because if we are going to be allies with Israel, don't we want a lot that we can actually trust and who are pro real lasting peace? Because if Israel will still be a far right government, with the same style as Netanyahu, then I think we will be better as cutting any alliances.