This is a religious war not a land war.

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Why were Palestinians chanting ‘Allahu Akbar’ when committing the atrocities of Oct 7th and celebrating it afterwards, when the dead bodies of victims were paraded in the streets, if this is not a religious war?

Why is this being ignored and pro-Palestinians insist it’s only about land?

It suits their narrative that Israel are greedy & evil.

The conflict and what led up to it seem incredibly complex. But I think it’s fair to say that both factors come into play - religion and the land.

Because it doesn't fit the narrative.

From my understanding the issue with the land is that the Palestinians believe it is Islamic land so must be ruled by Muslims full stop.

As opposed to Jewish people who believe Israel is their ancestral land, yes, but also wanted their own sovereignty to prevent the persecution they had experienced in other countries which they had no control over.

Are you trying to excuse the Israelis hostility, murder and land grab because the Palestinians are Muslim? Can’t decide if this thread should be reported for straight racism or not

Frankly it no longer matters. BOTH sides have committed horrendous acts. And it is always the innocent who pay the price.
Israel are not the innocent party nor are Hamas. Whether it’s religion or land or power or whatever the fuck they want to fight about doesn’t matter anymore. They need to put this to bed once and for all and come up with a lasting peaceful solution. Isreal need to give back ALL of the land they have stolen and let aid in. Hamas need to surrender.
It all just needs to fucking stop!

All of the land ?

Please advise which land and under what circumstance it was stolen?

How did you conflate that from my OP?

Stating a fact, that Palestinians were chanting and often screaming, Alkahu Akbar, during Oct 7th and in Gaza afterwards, is RACIST?

What a disgusting attempt to shut down conversation!

Maybe you haven’t watched the videos, you should, if you want to give an opinion on it, then you can come back and tell me I’m wrong?

Muslims are not a race btw.

What land has been stolen and from whom?

The Palestinians have never had a sovereign state, nor did the Arabs in the region, and have said NO to all opportunities to create one.

Hamas leaders have stated they will never stop until all the land is Muslim land.

So who’s going to stop it?

I think it is a land war that has been exacerbated and hijacked by religion.

Yasser Arafat’s regime with the PLO was around Arab identity, Palestinian statehood and there were Islamist rivals.

Lefty young people used to go and work on co-operative kibbutz’ as a gap year.

Global Islamist power, Zionist illegal settlements, big toxic mess.

You can’t single out one strand.

Yasser Arafat called out via radio to the Islamic world to help him when he was cornered in Lebanon by the IDF and Lebanese forces. The Sudanese ambassador facilitated his escape disguised as a woman apparently. ( 50 years war - BBC)

Not a religious war just because someone shouted Allahu Akbar.

Its decades of oppression, displacement land grab and persecution.

IMO it is a religious war since no one appears to mind that a Muslim country - Jordan - actually were settlers to the land. That doesn't matter though because - you know - they aren't Jewish.

"It is an article of faith on the far-left that Israel is an imperialist implant and that Palestinians, not Jews, are the indigenous people. They love the phrase “settler-colonialism.” The accusations do apply—to Jordan. The Palestinians were not indigenous to what is now Jordan but had a presence in the area for perhaps a thousand years after their ancestors left Arabia. The Hashemites had no connection to the land until the Arab revolt, and then Abdullah was imposed on the residents by imperial Britain."

Jewish people have thousands of years linking them to Judea. However, Islam and Judaism don't get along - so a religious war but cloaked in pretence that it's about the land and some Westerners always have to feel bad about the past, even though they didn't cause it so it's a great bandwagon to jump on and makes some feel good about themselves. (Forget the latest conflict with thousands dead - this was before that and gave some Westerners the self loathing for the West they needed).

https://www.jns.org/who-stole-palestinian-land-jordan/

That's a bit ahistorical. The UN (winners of ww2) arbitrarily split the land into 2 states - for people who lived there and for the jews they sent out of Europe. They didn't split it evenly and didn't agree what would happen to people who lived on a land now given to other people. What's even worse - the US immediately recognised one country, and has blocked the recognition of the other state in the UNSC for the past 77 years. The conflict is primarily about the land. Religion may aggravate it, but there is no, no excuse whatsoever for the genocide and ethnic cleansing, and war crimes. Israel should stop. It cannot stop now, so if it had any friends - the friends should stop it.

Israel is continuously building on more and more of the West Bank as you damn well know. The settlers should be moved (and compensated where necessary) back into Israel.
security between Israel and both the West Bank and Gaza need to be improved and managed by someone other than Israel.
I have already stated Hamas need to be removed. But the NOT at the cost of so many innocent lives. Palestinian lives matter too. All lives matter. It all just needs to stop.

Complete BS that Islam and Judaism don't get along. They did in Spain and did in the indigenous Palestinian communities and I've seen it amongst people I know.

Recollections vary.

They are fucking adults they can get along if they choose to. Ultimately the only way this stops is when BOTH sides decide that their children’s lives are more important, their grandchildren’s lives are more important than mutual hatred for one another.

It doesn't look like any Palestinian can do anything to stop this. The 2 parties that can stop this are the US and Israel.

Why did Israel's foreign minister say today that they will build a 'Jewish Israeli state' in the occupied west bank, it's not about land?

Why does Netanyahu make constant biblical references when justifying and naming IDF operations like striking the Amalek and 'Gideon' chariot' etc.

Is this not religious motivation?

Is this not about land?

What about the third party, Hamas? Is there anything they can do?

Balfour had no business carving up land and giving it to one set of people however an inconvenient truth it is for people that there were people living in Palestine.

Israel was created by ethnically cleansing the indigenous population. It suited the wests geopolitical interests. And it supported Zionist ambitions.

Doesn't matter what their origins are, you don't go to your neighbours and say you can't live here anymore.

Zionists even collaborated with the Nazis. - Theodore Herzl stated that the anti semites were allies in achieving his goals.

Ben Gurion's response to the possibility of thousands of Jewish children being admitted into Britain after Kristallnacht was:

"If I knew it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England, and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Yisrael, then I would opt for the second alternative. For we must weigh not only the life of those children, but also the history of the people of Israel."

Zionists purchased land in Palestine and put in place policies such as Histadrut - Jewish labour only. Those who employed local labourers were picketed, and often violently, to drive them out.

Their Haganah militants also played a part.

Absolutely Jews must live in peace and safety, it doesn't mean Zionists can ethnically cleanse to achieve that.

Source: The Blood Never Dried - a people's history of the British empire by John Newsinger.

Other examples, Article 7 of the Mandate provided for a nationality law to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jewish immigrants, irrespective of origin. This same law denied nationality to Palestinians who were abroad when the British took over.

More sources and also worth reading - mostly by Jewish authors:
Ten Myths about Israel by Ilan Pappe.
100 years of war on Palestine by Rashid Khalidi.
Genocide Bad by Sim Kern
Memoirs of an Arab Jew by Avi Shlaim