What did you do during the genocide in Gaza?

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This is a brilliant article.

This will be taught in schools one day and our grandkids will ask us but what did you do when you knew this was happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide

What do you think 'Judaism yes, zionism no' means? People every day of the week, from Iran to the streets of the UK suggest Israel should not exist. This conversation is moving into the realms of gaslighting now

We may have to politely disagree on "is ethnonationalism intrinsically wrong?" here. Because I genuinely think it is a) in general and b) specifically in a situation marked by the absence of an ethnically homogeneous population (though I can't for the life of me think of many places where that is the case. Iceland, perhaps. They regard it as a problem and have literally developed an app for "when I meet a hot bloke at a bar: can we just check how inbred our kids are likely to turn out before we make it happen?")

Personally, I will always find "Deutschland den Deutschen" deeply and viscerally horrifying. And the same goes for Hungary, Israel, and anyone else.

Yes of course. I want Netanyahu out! I also want the hostages (alive and dead) home with their families. I also want Yemen to stop sending missiles into populated civilian areas. I want Palestinians to stop bombing buses, stabbing and shooting civilians, I want Hamas out and a proper governing body in who can provide education and shelters and infrastructure and hope for Palestinians. It is not only Israel to blame for this mess. Netanyahu needs to go, and he will eventually because the Israeli people will find a way. Iran needs to stop funding terrorism and Arab leaders need to support Palestinians in building bridges to peace - people to people.

What are yoi talking about? You seem to have no understanding of the history of the Jewish people or Israel and Im not going to play polite parlour games with someone who is going to pretend that theJewish people have ever been safe in a country where they are a minority.

@Jujujudo So you completely agree with many of the points being made here. About Israel going to far basically. You just don’t want us non Israeli’s to criticise it as you feel that it will be dealt with internally within Israel?

Did you even understand my post or are you just arguing now for the sake of it?

Christ you’re a piece of work. What’s your problem? I was married to a narc for 20 years and you’re triggering me. Stop, please. You may not be doing so intentionally but you’re intimidating me and coercing me and not being respectful. I’m not sure what your problem is, or what your background is, but I hope that you are never in a war situation or in a situation where you are afraid to allow your children to discuss their own ethnic background. All the best. I’m out.

Of course Jews throughout time have been persecuted, thats historical fact and is only denied by extremists and lunatics.

The attacks on Jews wherever they occur should be condemned and stopped, the people involved prosecuted etc.

BUT that doesn't mean that what is now happening in Gaza to the ordinary Palestinian is right and should be allowed to continue.

It is also very counter productive, does anyone believe that Palestinians throughout the the middle east and beyond will not seek revenge on anyone connected to Israel etc.

Look at the poor couple killed in the USA? & btw i hope his sentence is the death penalty but that wont bring them back.

Sorry I mistyped there. There are of course people who don’t want Isreal to exist. But it’s not up for debate right now. It’s not on the table to discuss.

I think that Judaism yes, Zionism no is a call to ask either that Israel stops increasing it’s boundaries or saying that they disagree with Israel being an Ethno-nationalist state.

I’ve lost the train of your thought though. Clearly there will be those who wish Israeli out of existence. But the vast majority of criticism that we are hearing now is rooted in concern for what’s happening. That is my point.

I'm not ever going to pretend that European antisemitism wasn't real, remains real, was not eliminatory, was imagined. It wasn't. And that was and continues to be wrong.

I fundamentally disagree with the notion that the solution to the victimisation of group A is the victimisation of the next one in the queue.

That way, perpetuating cycles of destruction lies.

Personally, I fundamentally think the idea of nationalism is intrinsically wrong and was arguably the worst idea to come out of 19th century Europe, and that it has led to untold atrocities and suffering.

That said: we will probably never agree here but I do appreciate the engagement beyond "but Khamas!" and I mean this genuinely.

I think you've tagged the wrong person.

I’m so sorry. I’m not at trying to hurt you at all. And I’m honestly very sorry if you felt I was being intimidating. That was not my intention at all. I just think that we agree on more than we disagree.

You literally said nobody is proposing that Israel does not exist, now ypu're saying of course there are people that don't it want to exist. You are pretending not to understand what people mean when they reject 'zionism'. I think you need to examine your own train of thought and perhaps pull back from the gaslighting.

Why are you suggesting that the need for a Jewish state means 'the victimisation of the next one in the queue'. Who said that? That's a grotesque suggestion. Israel is responding to those that want to wipe it off the face of the earth as it has done since day 1.

I apologised for mistyping - there are people who don’t want Israel to exist but this is not something that is being plausibly discussed.

I have given you my honest opinion. And like I’ve said before we just aren’t going to agree here.

I didn't even say I was boycotting Israel. I was just explaining boycotts to you because you didn't seem to understand them. Its OK that you can't answer, you could just say that, rather than accusing me of all sorts because I asked a simple question based off your post.

In 2006.

I never said all Israelis were responsible for what's happening at the moment I was trying to debate the point with you that "Israel doesn’t want to remove Palestinians from Gaza. Palestinians want to remove all Jews from Israel from the river to the sea. Israel wants Gaza to continue with a moderate leadership and to stop trying to kill Israelis" which is in direct opposition to the stated aims of the current administration and leadership.

Of course she understands what a boycott is.

What on earth does 'plausibly discussed' even mean? Was the genocidal attack on 7 October 'plausibly discussed'? It was pretty well planned so yes, I think some discussion went into it. Why do you think the Iron Dome exists? I think Iran plausibly discusses its financing and providing of weapons to terrorists who want to destroy Israel. I think various ways to destroy Israel and to kill Israelis are plausibly discussed on a fairly regular basis. Thank god Israel defends its citizens and thank god America invests in its security.

@SharonEllis I'm sure she can speak for herself. It certainly didn't seem that way when she said "You’re not giving money to Netanyahu by buying Israeli products!".

Re the Op
Ironically the original question “ What did you do in the war Daddy?” Was a form of manipulative propaganda aimed at coercing young men into joining up.

What I have tried to do is learn more about the causes of this conflict.

Hamas can’t destroy Israel because it doesn’t have capacity to do so because as you mention Israel has one of the strongest militaries and the support of the US.

What is actually possible is the destruction of Gaza and the Palestinians who live there. That’s something that is very much on the cards. So you can twist and pick on my words as much as you want but you can’t deflect from this fact.

@Mylegishangingoff based on their posts tagging me i think they might be taking it very hard.

I totally understand that you were explaining the point of boycotting.

How is “Deutschland den Deutschen”, a slogan historically tied to nationalist and Nazi ideologies and used to promote ethnic purity in Germany
comparable to the call for a Jewish state in Israel, rooted in centuries of persecution, pogroms and the Holocaust?
I’ve lived in Germany as an immigrant, someone saying “Deutschland den Deutschen, Ausländer raus” wouldn’t make me think that what they had in mind was a multicultural and multi-religious state like Israel.

It was a truly disgraceful thing to say. The gaslighting on this thread is absolutely shameful.