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What did you do during the genocide in Gaza?

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ssd · 22/05/2025 22:05

This is a brilliant article.

This will be taught in schools one day and our grandkids will ask us but what did you do when you knew this was happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide

What did you do during the genocide in Gaza? | Arwa Mahdawi

When future generations read about Gaza with horror and wonder how we allowed a livestreamed genocide to happen, what will you say?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide

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ssd · 24/05/2025 13:50

Odras · 24/05/2025 13:46

It’s a bit scary that they pulled him physically away right?

They dont want to hear the truth, do they?

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generalexpert · 24/05/2025 13:51

I quickly worked out it wasn’t a genocide, but just Hamas, a terrorist organisation, loosing a war they started. Then I saw amnesty international creating a new definition of genocide to get it to fit.

Usual stuff.

JaneJeffer · 24/05/2025 13:54

Israeli protesters

Odras · 24/05/2025 13:55

@Comedycook that’s not true. Both the Israeli government and people on here have suggested that all criticism of Israel is rooted in anti semitism. Like to a ridiculous level where they are accusing Starmer.

Now as I understand it, you are merely asking people not to compare it to the Holocaust. Which is fair enough and a reasonable request.

However anyone posting here a while has been told they are anti semitic for calling out Israel on their actions. Me included. I’ve been told many times that I have been “seen”.

But the accusation has been thrown out so much I think when someone makes a reasonable request about antisemitism that it is all seen as false now.

SomethingFun · 24/05/2025 13:55

Absolutely people cannot accept their own antisemitism in this dank corner of mn - it’s sickening.

If an Islamic fundamentalist terrorist group attacked the uk and took 100 civilians hostage you wouldn’t expect the uk to sit back and think of the dying babies in the country that harboured that terrorist group. But you expect it of Israel because I believe you think Israel should be grateful it’s allowed to exist at all.

We bombed half the Middle East to smithereens because of Islamic fundamentalist terror groups in recent times. Maybe if Islamic fundamentalist terrorist groups aren’t all bad we should be looking at ourselves and our actions in the west rather than casting stones liberally towards other countries.

SigmundinaCafe · 24/05/2025 13:56

I think the issue is that many of the posters responding to this thread—particularly those based in Europe or North America—are so comfortable in their own relative peace and privilege that they’re unable to grasp the nature of a conflict like this. On their continent, conflict resolution typically involves diplomacy, negotiation, and dialogue. The idea of war, let alone this type of warfare where terrorist cowards hide behind their own women and children, is something they observe from a distance, not something they truly understand.

As a result, when they witness violence and death—horrific as it is—they lack the context and knowledge to distinguish between the brutal realities of war and the intentional, systematic extermination that defines genocide. And because many have internalised a narrative in which Israel is portrayed as a symbol of oppression and evil—a narrative that dates back a long time to Soviet-era propaganda and is today being amplified by Pan-Arab media, especially outlets like Al Jazeera—they reach simplistic and distorted conclusions. In their view, 2 + 2 equals 5, and suddenly, BAM, they’re crying “genocide.”

Consider the contrast: when the U.S.-led Coalition flattened Raqqa and Mosul in the fight against ISIS, resulting in thousands of civilian casualties, there was barely a whisper. No protests, no outrage. And who was in that coalition? Britain, France, Canada—countries now quick to condemn. Yet when Israel responds to the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust—an atrocity that also claimed the lives of Arabs, foreign workers, and international students—and does so while issuing warnings to civilians to evacuate, the outrage is immediate and deafening. The double standard is glaring.

It honestly seems like some of the most extreme anti-Israel voices in this thread would have preferred Israel to do nothing in response to October 7th. They’d rather the hostages—who are being held in inhumane, underground conditions akin to concentration camps—be abandoned. They expect Israel to politely wait for the next inevitable terrorist attack rather than defend its citizens. Get real. You wouldn’t accept a bunch of genocidal maniacs invading your country - raping, maiming, torturing, burning and murdering as they go. And neither should Israelis.

SharonEllis · 24/05/2025 13:57

Odras · 24/05/2025 13:55

@Comedycook that’s not true. Both the Israeli government and people on here have suggested that all criticism of Israel is rooted in anti semitism. Like to a ridiculous level where they are accusing Starmer.

Now as I understand it, you are merely asking people not to compare it to the Holocaust. Which is fair enough and a reasonable request.

However anyone posting here a while has been told they are anti semitic for calling out Israel on their actions. Me included. I’ve been told many times that I have been “seen”.

But the accusation has been thrown out so much I think when someone makes a reasonable request about antisemitism that it is all seen as false now.

Literally noone has ever said all criticism of Israel is rooted in antisemitism.

SharonEllis · 24/05/2025 13:59

SigmundinaCafe · 24/05/2025 13:56

I think the issue is that many of the posters responding to this thread—particularly those based in Europe or North America—are so comfortable in their own relative peace and privilege that they’re unable to grasp the nature of a conflict like this. On their continent, conflict resolution typically involves diplomacy, negotiation, and dialogue. The idea of war, let alone this type of warfare where terrorist cowards hide behind their own women and children, is something they observe from a distance, not something they truly understand.

As a result, when they witness violence and death—horrific as it is—they lack the context and knowledge to distinguish between the brutal realities of war and the intentional, systematic extermination that defines genocide. And because many have internalised a narrative in which Israel is portrayed as a symbol of oppression and evil—a narrative that dates back a long time to Soviet-era propaganda and is today being amplified by Pan-Arab media, especially outlets like Al Jazeera—they reach simplistic and distorted conclusions. In their view, 2 + 2 equals 5, and suddenly, BAM, they’re crying “genocide.”

Consider the contrast: when the U.S.-led Coalition flattened Raqqa and Mosul in the fight against ISIS, resulting in thousands of civilian casualties, there was barely a whisper. No protests, no outrage. And who was in that coalition? Britain, France, Canada—countries now quick to condemn. Yet when Israel responds to the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust—an atrocity that also claimed the lives of Arabs, foreign workers, and international students—and does so while issuing warnings to civilians to evacuate, the outrage is immediate and deafening. The double standard is glaring.

It honestly seems like some of the most extreme anti-Israel voices in this thread would have preferred Israel to do nothing in response to October 7th. They’d rather the hostages—who are being held in inhumane, underground conditions akin to concentration camps—be abandoned. They expect Israel to politely wait for the next inevitable terrorist attack rather than defend its citizens. Get real. You wouldn’t accept a bunch of genocidal maniacs invading your country - raping, maiming, torturing, burning and murdering as they go. And neither should Israelis.

I think this is very true and has a lot to do with tje way this war is perceived. The naivety of what you read here is breathtaking.

PurpleThistle7 · 24/05/2025 14:00

Odras · 23/05/2025 08:04

Posting on mn is tongue in cheek. It definitely doesn’t make any difference.

Are you saying that you think there are posters on here who are threatening Jewish people?

Of course there are. Pretty hideous post a couple weeks ago about a wee English boy who wanted to wear a kippah to school with some really awful comments. My daughter has been attacked in real life. Many things are said. Every day.

PurpleThistle7 · 24/05/2025 14:08

Where was I? Mostly watching in horrified despair as crazy murderers stormed across a border and left carnage in their wake. Then watching in sadness at what came next.

pretty much the same place as I’ve been for any number of other wars. Exhausted and hopeless. And frightened to be raising Jewish children amidst this all.

NeedToKnow101 · 24/05/2025 14:13

I learnt about the politics in the region, went on a march to protest against the rise of antisemitism in the UK, and started paying a small monthly subscription to the Campaign against Antisemitism. I speak with my son, partner and friends to help to combat the antisemitic propaganda the MSM are indulging in.
All civilian deaths in war are sad, but I am amazed at all these threads when children in Sudan and Yemen are actually starving due to civil war in those countries and there are zero threads about those man-made tragedies. I also learnt along the way that Jihadists are slaughtering Christians in Nigeria but that it is swept under the carpet by MSM.
I also noticed that social cohesion in my country is disappearing fast, and that is a real shame and a worry.

hangingonfordearlife1 · 24/05/2025 14:18

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You wouldnt be surprised if Netanyahu was responsible for the hamas fighters who invaded on 7 october? This is denying Hamas responsibility which is effectively support for hamas. Which is illegal.

hangingonfordearlife1 · 24/05/2025 14:29

SigmundinaCafe · 24/05/2025 13:56

I think the issue is that many of the posters responding to this thread—particularly those based in Europe or North America—are so comfortable in their own relative peace and privilege that they’re unable to grasp the nature of a conflict like this. On their continent, conflict resolution typically involves diplomacy, negotiation, and dialogue. The idea of war, let alone this type of warfare where terrorist cowards hide behind their own women and children, is something they observe from a distance, not something they truly understand.

As a result, when they witness violence and death—horrific as it is—they lack the context and knowledge to distinguish between the brutal realities of war and the intentional, systematic extermination that defines genocide. And because many have internalised a narrative in which Israel is portrayed as a symbol of oppression and evil—a narrative that dates back a long time to Soviet-era propaganda and is today being amplified by Pan-Arab media, especially outlets like Al Jazeera—they reach simplistic and distorted conclusions. In their view, 2 + 2 equals 5, and suddenly, BAM, they’re crying “genocide.”

Consider the contrast: when the U.S.-led Coalition flattened Raqqa and Mosul in the fight against ISIS, resulting in thousands of civilian casualties, there was barely a whisper. No protests, no outrage. And who was in that coalition? Britain, France, Canada—countries now quick to condemn. Yet when Israel responds to the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust—an atrocity that also claimed the lives of Arabs, foreign workers, and international students—and does so while issuing warnings to civilians to evacuate, the outrage is immediate and deafening. The double standard is glaring.

It honestly seems like some of the most extreme anti-Israel voices in this thread would have preferred Israel to do nothing in response to October 7th. They’d rather the hostages—who are being held in inhumane, underground conditions akin to concentration camps—be abandoned. They expect Israel to politely wait for the next inevitable terrorist attack rather than defend its citizens. Get real. You wouldn’t accept a bunch of genocidal maniacs invading your country - raping, maiming, torturing, burning and murdering as they go. And neither should Israelis.

i live 40km away from mosul, in erbil northern iraq. i can assure mosul was never flattened by the coalition. it was mostly the kurds and iraqi army that fought isis. i had friends that were living there throughout isis occupation and still there now

mids2019 · 24/05/2025 14:30

SigmundinaCafe · 24/05/2025 13:56

I think the issue is that many of the posters responding to this thread—particularly those based in Europe or North America—are so comfortable in their own relative peace and privilege that they’re unable to grasp the nature of a conflict like this. On their continent, conflict resolution typically involves diplomacy, negotiation, and dialogue. The idea of war, let alone this type of warfare where terrorist cowards hide behind their own women and children, is something they observe from a distance, not something they truly understand.

As a result, when they witness violence and death—horrific as it is—they lack the context and knowledge to distinguish between the brutal realities of war and the intentional, systematic extermination that defines genocide. And because many have internalised a narrative in which Israel is portrayed as a symbol of oppression and evil—a narrative that dates back a long time to Soviet-era propaganda and is today being amplified by Pan-Arab media, especially outlets like Al Jazeera—they reach simplistic and distorted conclusions. In their view, 2 + 2 equals 5, and suddenly, BAM, they’re crying “genocide.”

Consider the contrast: when the U.S.-led Coalition flattened Raqqa and Mosul in the fight against ISIS, resulting in thousands of civilian casualties, there was barely a whisper. No protests, no outrage. And who was in that coalition? Britain, France, Canada—countries now quick to condemn. Yet when Israel responds to the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust—an atrocity that also claimed the lives of Arabs, foreign workers, and international students—and does so while issuing warnings to civilians to evacuate, the outrage is immediate and deafening. The double standard is glaring.

It honestly seems like some of the most extreme anti-Israel voices in this thread would have preferred Israel to do nothing in response to October 7th. They’d rather the hostages—who are being held in inhumane, underground conditions akin to concentration camps—be abandoned. They expect Israel to politely wait for the next inevitable terrorist attack rather than defend its citizens. Get real. You wouldn’t accept a bunch of genocidal maniacs invading your country - raping, maiming, torturing, burning and murdering as they go. And neither should Israelis.

Excellent post

Odras · 24/05/2025 14:31

SigmundinaCafe · 24/05/2025 13:56

I think the issue is that many of the posters responding to this thread—particularly those based in Europe or North America—are so comfortable in their own relative peace and privilege that they’re unable to grasp the nature of a conflict like this. On their continent, conflict resolution typically involves diplomacy, negotiation, and dialogue. The idea of war, let alone this type of warfare where terrorist cowards hide behind their own women and children, is something they observe from a distance, not something they truly understand.

As a result, when they witness violence and death—horrific as it is—they lack the context and knowledge to distinguish between the brutal realities of war and the intentional, systematic extermination that defines genocide. And because many have internalised a narrative in which Israel is portrayed as a symbol of oppression and evil—a narrative that dates back a long time to Soviet-era propaganda and is today being amplified by Pan-Arab media, especially outlets like Al Jazeera—they reach simplistic and distorted conclusions. In their view, 2 + 2 equals 5, and suddenly, BAM, they’re crying “genocide.”

Consider the contrast: when the U.S.-led Coalition flattened Raqqa and Mosul in the fight against ISIS, resulting in thousands of civilian casualties, there was barely a whisper. No protests, no outrage. And who was in that coalition? Britain, France, Canada—countries now quick to condemn. Yet when Israel responds to the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust—an atrocity that also claimed the lives of Arabs, foreign workers, and international students—and does so while issuing warnings to civilians to evacuate, the outrage is immediate and deafening. The double standard is glaring.

It honestly seems like some of the most extreme anti-Israel voices in this thread would have preferred Israel to do nothing in response to October 7th. They’d rather the hostages—who are being held in inhumane, underground conditions akin to concentration camps—be abandoned. They expect Israel to politely wait for the next inevitable terrorist attack rather than defend its citizens. Get real. You wouldn’t accept a bunch of genocidal maniacs invading your country - raping, maiming, torturing, burning and murdering as they go. And neither should Israelis.

And here is a post saying that everyone who is critical of Israeli actions is anti semitic.

There were 1,600 civilians killed in Raqqa . This was covered up and then exposed. And there was an outcry about this, I can recall that. About 11,000 died in Mosul. less outcry here for various reasons, mostly of the “day after” plan. It was a shocking civilian death toll - very unusual, very high for a city of 2 million people’s. So I don’t want to diminish what happened but it shows how high the death toll in Gaza in a short frame of time particularly since the ceasefire was broken. And of course the plan for the “day after” is to wipe the people from Gaza and take the land. Which is wrong and should be called out.

hangingonfordearlife1 · 24/05/2025 14:31

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SharonEllis · 24/05/2025 14:34

Odras · 24/05/2025 14:31

And here is a post saying that everyone who is critical of Israeli actions is anti semitic.

There were 1,600 civilians killed in Raqqa . This was covered up and then exposed. And there was an outcry about this, I can recall that. About 11,000 died in Mosul. less outcry here for various reasons, mostly of the “day after” plan. It was a shocking civilian death toll - very unusual, very high for a city of 2 million people’s. So I don’t want to diminish what happened but it shows how high the death toll in Gaza in a short frame of time particularly since the ceasefire was broken. And of course the plan for the “day after” is to wipe the people from Gaza and take the land. Which is wrong and should be called out.

Where does it say everyone that is critical of israeli actions is antisemitic?

AmIthatSpringy · 24/05/2025 14:35

JaneJeffer · 23/05/2025 00:16

I’ve always wondered what would happen if the real names of those defending Israel were revealed. Would they still stand by what they’ve said knowing it was public knowledge?

People I know in IRL know my views and largely share them

We know that Hamas are terrorists

we wonder why people virtue signal about this one conflict over so many others

we understand the meaning of the word "genocide"

we criticised our former first minister for allowing family interests to spend our money

SomethingFun · 24/05/2025 14:35

Yep - ‘Evil’ is a word often bandied around about elected world leaders. One pp bemoaned how unfair ‘rich’ Israel is in attacking poor Palestine. Murdering babies is an antisemitic trope. I wouldn’t be surprised if posters were making comments about facial features tbh it’s that fucking blatant.

Jujujudo · 24/05/2025 14:37

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 13:28

So you're saying Israel let 7/10 happen, were they also responsible for the hamasniks actions that day?

That’s not a new claim. It goes along with controlling the media, taking over the Middle East, running the banks.. it’s a trope.

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 14:37

hangingonfordearlife1 · 24/05/2025 14:29

i live 40km away from mosul, in erbil northern iraq. i can assure mosul was never flattened by the coalition. it was mostly the kurds and iraqi army that fought isis. i had friends that were living there throughout isis occupation and still there now

Pictures of Mosul online show extensive bomb damage, I guess you can't believe everything on the net.

mids2019 · 24/05/2025 14:38

Another thing about weaponsing the word genocide is that given all Israelis have to undergo national service a significant proportion of the country would have at some point been in the armed services. Now presumably all this flinging around the word genocide with no deep critical thinking would want the all members of the IDF last and present labelled as genocide committers so effectively tying in all of Israel and it's armed forces with historical parallels such as the Gestapo and commandants at concentration camps. Sorry that is simply wrong.

I have seen plenty of anti Semitic material linking Israel horrendously with Nazi Germany and it must be sickening. If we keep pushing the genocide narrative we just increase a toxic atmosphere for Jews around the world who some conflate with the Israeli government due to the close links of many Jews to Israel hence making Jews 'fair game' for abuse and unfortunately violence.

Jujujudo · 24/05/2025 14:41

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/05/2025 13:06

Because the Palestinian people should not be driven out of their homeland again!

Why should Egypt open its borders to a million plus refugees, with known terrorists amongst them?

They weren’t driven out of their homeland. What are you talking about? Who was their prime minister? What currency did they use? What was their flag? They didn’t have a homeland. Palestinians were the name given to people living there before 1948 including Jews. The Muslim Palestinians who didn’t leave are now Arab Israeli citizens. The ones who left did so because their neighbours were planning to invade, kill all the Jews then make a judenrein country. It’s all fact. It’s all real. Denying this is propaganda.

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