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US confirms plan for private firms to deliver Gaza aid despite UN alarm

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Twiglets1 · 10/05/2025 06:12

The US has confirmed that a new system for providing humanitarian aid to Palestinians in Gaza through private companies is being prepared, as Israel's blockade continues for a third month.

US ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee said "distribution centres" protected by security contractors would provide food and other supplies to over a million people initially, as part of an effort to prevent Hamas stealing aid.

He denied Israel would take part in aid delivery or distribution, but said its forces would secure the centres' perimeters.

It comes as details emerged about the controversial plan, which UN agencies have reiterated they will not co-operate with because it appears to "weaponize" aid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp92rlm300mo

Palestinian receive food cooked by a charity kitchen in Beit Lahia, northern Gaza Strip (8 May 2025)

US confirms plan for private firms to deliver Gaza aid despite UN alarm

UN agencies say they will not co-operate with the proposed system because it appears to "weaponise" aid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp92rlm300mo

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AIBUHere · 08/06/2025 16:35

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 16:26

It's hard to make sense of what happens in these situations.

From the link you posted it looks like The Israeli army has declared that Palestinians should only move to and from the GHF distribution sites between 06:00 and 18:00 local time - and that at all other times it should be considered an "active combat zone".

Yet "before dawn" a group was moving towards IDF soldiers (despite them issuing verbal challenges and then warning shots) and so the group "was deemed a threat".

Hmm those evil IDF soldiers! They should just let the Palestinians attack first and deny later.

I mean Hamas wants to stop the GHF distribution sites because they’re losing their revenue source, and control of their people. the US/Israel wants them to be a success to loosen Hamas’s grip on the people and stop their revenue source as well as feed Palestinians as on a humanitarian basis it’s very good optics.

I mean who DO we believe?

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 16:42

Martymcfly24 · 08/06/2025 16:33

To be fair I imagine they were desperate and starving and wanted to be there first so they had a chance of getting food so left early.

It's an awful choice to have to make.

I understand that.

But also the instructions were pretty clear that at all other times it should be considered an "active combat zone".

I feel if that was me walking towards soldiers in an active combat zone and they issued verbal warnings I would have stopped moving towards them.

But it's hard to know exactly how it all happened & there also seems to be some discrepancy at the moment as The IDF said it was aware of reports that people had been injured, adding: "The number... does not align with the information currently held by the IDF."

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GretaGreen · 08/06/2025 16:42

AIBUHere · 08/06/2025 16:26

Still no evidence of that either.

Enough aid was brought in to last for months before that the blockade.

Do you commonly condemn something before it’s even happened?

Meanwhile there is real starvation in Sudan due to war. I absolutely condemn that yes.

And you have 'evidence' to show that enough aid to last 2million people in a war zone 3 months was brought in before Israel stopped aid? Strange how that didn't make the news. It must have been a pretty impressive convoy given enough aid hadn't been getting in since the start of this conflict. Gaza needs at least 500 trucks a day so it must have been what, 45,000 aid trucks to deliver enough food, medicine, water, fuel etc for 90 days. I'm surprised Israel kept this so quiet, I can't wait for you to show us all the photos and videos of this unbelievably large aid convoy!

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 16:43

AIBUHere · 08/06/2025 16:35

Hmm those evil IDF soldiers! They should just let the Palestinians attack first and deny later.

I mean Hamas wants to stop the GHF distribution sites because they’re losing their revenue source, and control of their people. the US/Israel wants them to be a success to loosen Hamas’s grip on the people and stop their revenue source as well as feed Palestinians as on a humanitarian basis it’s very good optics.

I mean who DO we believe?

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That's what I said on MN from the start. That it seems one group has way more to gain from the aid distribution sites being discredited and that is Hamas & their supporters - not the IDF.

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Martymcfly24 · 08/06/2025 16:50

https://www.thejournal.ie/four-killed-israeli-fire-aid-6727164-Jun2025/

According to this it happened when it was starting to get light at 6 am.

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 17:04

It's He said/She said and no way for us to know the truth.

I take into account that Israel have reason to want this plan to work when I decide to believe the account of the IDF is more likely - that it happened before 6am and the IDF issued verbal warnings that were ignored.

But I can see how some people that have zero trust in the IDF would choose to believe something different. We just don't know.

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Martymcfly24 · 08/06/2025 17:13

I have zero trust in the IDF especially as they have been caught lying and will do so until the evidence mounts up. (Buried ambulances, World Central Kitchen Workers etc)

Why was the area an active combat zone until 6 am and then changed exactly at that time to an aid site. Surely anyone with the remotest idea about aid and military strategies would think this is a recipe for disaster when faced with a starving population.

Israel have no reason to want this plan to work. They are the ones who are blockading the country. A hungry desperate population are more likely to leave the country which is the ultimate aim.

Stripes56 · 08/06/2025 17:13

@Martymcfly24
The aid distribution method was predicted to be a disaster.

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 17:16

Stripes56 · 08/06/2025 17:12

@Martymcfly24
Did you see this link I posted earlier- marrying acoustics from geolocated videos and witness accounts by US experts - to highly suggest IDF involvement.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/04/middleeast/israel-military-gaza-aid-shooting-intl-invs

Your link is dated June 5th and so refers to a different incident.

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Martymcfly24 · 08/06/2025 17:17

@Stripes56 sorry I was just reading your link there. Absolutely unpredictable you can see the same story is being repeated daily. Thanks for that.

It's almost like now Israel can say well we tried to feed them but they wouldn't behave themselves and like up properly so we can't do it anymore.

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 17:20

I know you have zero trust in the IDF @Martymcfly24

Just like I have zero trust in Hamas and their supporters. And it's impossible to know who their supporters are in Gaza so I don't trust what anyone says really.

I don't completely trust what the IDF say either. Though regarding the aid distribution centres I do believe they want them to be successful & not to sabotage them (because Netanyahu wants them to work better than the method they replaced).

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Martymcfly24 · 08/06/2025 17:24

I have no trust in Hamas either and think they should be gone but with the IDF i do feel it's a case of fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.

And they have tried to fool the world so many times so the answer is to let the UN /NGO distribute the food who actually understand food distribution of cooked food not the inexperienced shit show that is there at the moment.

Stripes56 · 08/06/2025 17:28

Martymcfly24 · 08/06/2025 17:17

@Stripes56 sorry I was just reading your link there. Absolutely unpredictable you can see the same story is being repeated daily. Thanks for that.

It's almost like now Israel can say well we tried to feed them but they wouldn't behave themselves and like up properly so we can't do it anymore.

Quite -
And same pattern from some posters
Deny deny deflect minimise whilst building evidence paints a clear pattern of innocent people being killed.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 08/06/2025 18:01

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 17:04

It's He said/She said and no way for us to know the truth.

I take into account that Israel have reason to want this plan to work when I decide to believe the account of the IDF is more likely - that it happened before 6am and the IDF issued verbal warnings that were ignored.

But I can see how some people that have zero trust in the IDF would choose to believe something different. We just don't know.

Do you feel it is acceptable that the area where desperate starving people can collect humanitarian aid is an active combat zone 5 minutes before it opens and 5 minutes after it closes? Bearing in mind tens of thousands of people have to travel great distances to get there. Surely it's a recipe for chaos and disaster as it's proving to be.

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 18:08

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 08/06/2025 18:01

Do you feel it is acceptable that the area where desperate starving people can collect humanitarian aid is an active combat zone 5 minutes before it opens and 5 minutes after it closes? Bearing in mind tens of thousands of people have to travel great distances to get there. Surely it's a recipe for chaos and disaster as it's proving to be.

Who knows if it was 5 minutes?

And even if it was, I didn’t write the rules but they seem clear enough.

Its not for me to decide on what is acceptable in a war zone. I would prefer that war was avoided altogether and that disputes got sorted out via honest communication but that’s idealistic I guess.

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Martymcfly24 · 08/06/2025 18:13

Witnesses said Sunday’s shooting occurred at around 6am, when they were told the site would open. Many had headed towards it early to try and get desperately needed food before the crowds.
Adham Dahman, 30, who was at Nasser Hospital with a bandage on his chin, said a tank had fired at them. “We didn’t know how to escape,” he said. “This is trap for us, not aid.”
Zahed Ben Hassan, another witness, said someone next to him was shot in the head. He said he and others pulled the body from the scene and managed to flee to the hospital.
“They said it was a safe area from 6am until 6pm,” he said. “So why did they start shooting at us? There was light out, and they have their cameras and can clearly see us.”
The hubs are set up inside Israeli military zones – where independent media have no access – and are run by GHF, a new group of mainly American contractors. Israel wants it to replace a system co-ordinated by the United Nations and international aid groups

From the link I posted earlier. Sunrise is around 5:40 am so it was very close to 6 am if it was light out.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 08/06/2025 18:22

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 18:08

Who knows if it was 5 minutes?

And even if it was, I didn’t write the rules but they seem clear enough.

Its not for me to decide on what is acceptable in a war zone. I would prefer that war was avoided altogether and that disputes got sorted out via honest communication but that’s idealistic I guess.

Who knows if it was 5 minutes?
Well if they say outside of the hours 6am to 6pm it is a combat zone you would assume 5.55am and 6.05pm it is.

And even if it was, I didn’t write the rules but they seem clear enough
No you didn't but the GHF did and they are clearly not working so the onus is on the GHF to amend things to ensure the safety of the innocent civilians they are tasked with distributing aid to. The rules may be clear but they are not working so need to be changed.

I would prefer that war was avoided altogether and that disputes got sorted out via honest communication but that’s idealistic I guess
Well we all want that fgs but we are where we are and atm aid distribution is a shit show and needs to be addressed so more innocent civilians are not killed or put in harms way when they are trying to access food.

Its not for me to decide on what is acceptable in a war zone.
No not you the Geneva Convention does that for you outlining international humanitarian law during armed conflict.

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 18:38

We don’t know when it happened @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend

How can the GHF amend things? It’s up to the IDF what they classify as a war zone & when.

All the GHF can do is plainly inform people of the rules that are set by the IDF. Gazans do then have some personal responsibility to follow the rules in order to stay as safe as they can be while collecting the aid.

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Stripes56 · 08/06/2025 18:50

@ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend
I think posters are missing the whole point of not blaming innocent starving people for an ineffective aid system.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 08/06/2025 18:57

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 18:38

We don’t know when it happened @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend

How can the GHF amend things? It’s up to the IDF what they classify as a war zone & when.

All the GHF can do is plainly inform people of the rules that are set by the IDF. Gazans do then have some personal responsibility to follow the rules in order to stay as safe as they can be while collecting the aid.

We don’t know when it happened
I know my point around time was to demonstrate how ridiculous, unsafe and chaotic it is to have a zone for handing out humanitarian aid turning into a combat zone in a matter of minutes and vice versa.

How can the GHF amend things? It’s up to the IDF what they classify as a war zone & when.
Don't distribute aid in active combat zones is surely the most logical conclusion. It's like there's zero agency with the GHF it has been tasked to do a job, and being paid handsomely for it, which it is not doing effectively. In any other situation you would assess what is going wrong and make changes.

Gazans do then have some personal responsibility to follow the rules in order to stay as safe as they can be while collecting the aid.
Please stop victim blaming it's vulgar. The process of distribution is not working and you choose to blame the desperate civilians for that!

AIBUHere · 08/06/2025 19:40

GretaGreen · 08/06/2025 16:42

And you have 'evidence' to show that enough aid to last 2million people in a war zone 3 months was brought in before Israel stopped aid? Strange how that didn't make the news. It must have been a pretty impressive convoy given enough aid hadn't been getting in since the start of this conflict. Gaza needs at least 500 trucks a day so it must have been what, 45,000 aid trucks to deliver enough food, medicine, water, fuel etc for 90 days. I'm surprised Israel kept this so quiet, I can't wait for you to show us all the photos and videos of this unbelievably large aid convoy!

It is strange that it didn’t make the news and was pretty impressive.

https://gaza-aid-data.gov.il/main/

https://x.com/cogatonline/status/1906975926308770025

https://honestreporting.com/starvation-in-gaza-the-truth-behind-the-headlines/

That COGAT X account is very interesting from an Israeli perspective if you actually are interested in the Israeli perspective.

There are two sides to every war and it does help to have a balanced opinion to look at both.

It is interesting that no one seems to query why Aid is SOLD on from the many Palestinians own accounts,

Where have you got 500 trucks a day from? Is there any verified data for that?

There’s data here which should be checkable as it refers to reports from aid agencies:
https://www.camera.org/article/cnn-article-errs-and-misleads-on-gaza-humanitarian-aid

https://x.com/cogatonline/status/1906975926308770025

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 19:55

@ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend the whole of Gaza is a war zone apart from a few designated safe routes at certain times.

The GHF cannot dictate to the IDF what their rules are.

It’s not victim blaming to say people need to follow the rules to stay safe.

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Whatsinanamehey · 08/06/2025 20:09

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 19:55

@ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend the whole of Gaza is a war zone apart from a few designated safe routes at certain times.

The GHF cannot dictate to the IDF what their rules are.

It’s not victim blaming to say people need to follow the rules to stay safe.

You know yourself that the GHF do not distribute enough food for the Palestinian people. The last I saw it only accommodated for 13% of the population. Ofcourse people are going to leave early to try and get whatever little food they can to feed their families than return home empty handed when they have starving children relying on them. If the IDF and GHF don't want these situations to keep occurring then they need to cater for all the people which they are not. Murdering starving people which you have deliberately starved through months of siege is not ok or acceptable Thankfully most of the world including most of MSM in the west now acknowledge this.

Whatsinanamehey · 08/06/2025 20:10

We know the IDF has a very loose definition as what they define as a 'threat'.

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