To think as As UK citizens we have a definite side to be on when it come to Iranian backed terrorists

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14677905/Major-attack-Iranian-terrorists-specific-premises-UK-foiled.

The conversations here are about conflict in the middle East but I think the recent news below shows that as a state we definitely are aligned to one side of the conflict as quite simply Iran looks like it has sponsored an attack on the UK which could have included relatives of any one here.

Not only does Iran back Hamas but it looks like it is quite willing to export terrorism to the UK. Whether ultimately there needs to be a military response is yet to be decided but I am glad MI5 have revealed this.

As UK citizens we should not be blinkered at all about Iran's position and it's support of terrorism against all our interests.

Yeah I think people don’t actually realise what Iran does in the middle east because it just doesn’t affect people here. State sponsored terrorism hasn’t really been a direct threat to British people.

I don’t know much but I do know that Iran pours money into Hezbollah, Houthis (no they aren’t freedom fighters, they are mentalists who kidnap kids to force them to be child soldiers) Hamas, helped Assad barrel bomb his own people and so on. They are dangerous and we are naive. They ferment a lot of instability in the middle east.

Presumably they released the info for a reason as they don't often go into details about foiled plots.

Don’t underestimate how many useful idiots there are in the uk. Look how many have lost their minds and rabidly joined the relentless Palestine marches.

What concerns me is the pro hamas stuff. Sympathy for Gazan’s is absolutely right and understandable. Hamas is busy killing protesters yet there are people out there who only care if Gazans are killed by Israelis not by Hamas. They are literally hunting down protesters and executing them. It’s horrifying. Yet I don’t see support for anti Hamas protests in Gaza or denunciation of Hamas for executions of protesters.

I think people in the Uk have just got too comfortable in many ways, they play out their violent ideological fantasies through brown people thousands of miles away. Why you would support a group like Hamas or Hezbollah who terrorise people in their own communities is beyond me.

I think tbf as well for a long time I didn’t understand what the big deal with Iran is until I took a keener interest in the middle east. My own ignorance of what was going on skewed my understanding of the threat it poses to it’s neighbours and everyone else.

The war in Gaza has certainly put us all at risk. The inaction for so long by the EU and the UK is basically a recruitment advert for terrorist groups who will take advantage of the situation.

And of course international law has been completely undermined by the west which leave us all more unsafe. This Trump Gaza plan won’t help either.

it’s all looking a bleak to be honest.

So no I don’t think we should take “a side”. I don’t support terrorism or the Israeli government. I’m definitely on the side of civilians and human rights.

The only people who were capable of not making this happen were Hamas. They killed almost 1200 people and took 250 people hostage. What on earth do you think the consequences would be for that? Because I watched and thought “oh god this is awful all those poor people murdered” and close on the heels of that “oh shit Gaza’s going to get flattened, those poor people”. If I knew that, I imagine Hamas knew that too. They aren’t actually stupid.

This is a direct consequence of Iranian funding. You can complain as much as you want about Israel and there is often plenty to criticise but the cause of this war was a terror group funded by Iran.

There have been multiple peace processes and settlement offers. Israel is not going to disappear but Palestinian bargaining power has been reduced over time though their own actions. The next offer (and I really hope to god there is one) is probably going to be really shit. Direct consequence of Iranian interference.

What exactly do you think the EU and the UK can do, they can’t come out in support of Hamas can they? It’s a terrorist organisation who murdered and kidnapped people. You can pressurise the Israeli government to withdraw from Gaza but there are still missing hostages and Hamas have flat refused to disband.

Iran has made everyone less safe, not Israel here. There is a reason the muslim brotherhood (hamas is an offshoot) is banned in multiple muslim countries and why the emiratis and saudis have a problem with the Houthis. They destabilise, thats all they do.

Indeed, now who would want buy in from the British on attacking Iran? 🤔 this isn't minimising or denying the threat, but i agree with this poster that tonnes of plots are thankfully foiled, why are we hearing the specifics of this one? There wouldn't be an agenda would there?

It’s a pity nobody’s done regime change in Iran. Take out the Ayatollah and a few others.

I don’t think the Uk is about to launch a war against Iran. Probably because people started posting videos they took out their bedroom windows on-line and the government felt it had to explain it.

Very conspiratorial of you though.

So you are saying … as a result of how our government has acted, Iran wants to attack us so therefore we must now support our government in its refusal to gett even mildly upset at what Israel is doing?

that’s a logic fail there or you are not expressing yourself clearly

Absolutely agree that Iran is a rogue state and always a threat. Israel has done what Israel always does - it overreacts but it’s taken things further this time, Netanyahu isn’t nodding along to two state solutions or other words of peace. They have dropped the pretence basically but they’ve been moving towards becoming more militant and right wing for decades.

it is the support of Israel by the US, the EU and the UK is what is making us all less safe to be honest rather than Israel itself.

Someone watching someone be arrested or their house raided would not be able to ascertain why or make the link to Iran, especially as the arrests were individuals across several parts of the country. They have chosen to release more information than they usually would, why is it a conspiracy to wonder why, especially given the timing?

I agree that I’m no fan of Netanyahu or for example settler behaviour which is appalling. But there needs to be pressure on Hamas to disband, thats the other lever here, I just don’t see people supporting that as an option.

Taking weapons away from Israelis won’t stop attacks by Hamas and thats the crux of the problem. We can make it difficult for them to be in Gaza but they then have other options. No aid whatsoever going through any Israeli checkpoints to Gaza, no electricity or water ever going to Gaza. I think it’s extremely complicated and difficult to unpick. Whilst Hamas have resources they will keep going,

I wish peace for both Palestinians and Israelis, I hope none of them have to worry about whether their children will survive the next week, or that missile will hit their house. I don’t want that for anyone. But Hamas have to go, even the PA and Gazan citizens are asking them to go. Thats the first step towards peace here.

Bunch of armed people break into several houses, people post it on-line. Government can either say something or say something”nothing to see here”. After the southport attack I think they’ve learned that they need to say something.

Do you actually believe the UK is about to send troops into Iran? Also it’s different from a gaggle of twats deciding they are going to launch an attack because they are members of Isis. This would be an actual country financing and prosecuting a terror attack on someones country. Like of France decided to fund a terror attack on the UK. It’s hostile action from a sovereign nation.

You should be able to see why thats important. If the UK does decide to launch a few missiles at the IRCG it would be well deserved frankly.

I agree OP.

The support over here for the terrorist Islamist dictatorship that runs Gaza ( Hamas), that knowingly brought death and destruction on their own people, then hid their fighters in tunnels, is astonishing.

The have absolutely no idea of what they are supporting, or the world outlook and mindset of the Islamists behind Hamas, that they are implicitly backing. It is very different from their own.

The government of Israel with its full human rights legislation, full support for LGBT and women’s right, full democracy and freedom of speech and association and political lobbying, is far closer to their own values and mindset than the side they are actively backing. How they can’t see it, I’ll never understand.

I didn't say anything about sending troops to Iran, did i? And yes, usually they say for a terrorist plot or the like without going into details. Honestly questioning why different things are approached differently isn't a conspiracy theory.

The point of interest is that the government has decided to release the nationalities of the detainees and the planned terrorist plot was imminent. It is a reminder none of us are free from the threat of terrorism despite being thousands of miles away from the middle East.

I am glad that our government is open about these events and haven't tried to suppress the information for political reasons.

Totally agree with all of that.

Taking weapons away from Israelis won't stop attacks and yes, that is the crux of the problem. Hamas have to go if there can be any hope of peace whatsoever. They are executing their own people now for looting food as desperation grows due to the blockades.

As stated in this CNN article: The executions – and Hamas’ vow that more will follow – is a stark reminder that the militant group, even weakened after more than 18 months of war, retains power in Gaza.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/04/middleeast/hamas-executions-gaza-food-intl

My comment wasn't meant to spark conspiracy chat! I assumed they just wanted to heighten awareness eg the terror threat is still there so don't ignore that unattended bag.

Iran are allied with Russia (Ukrainian grain has been tracked to Iranian ports), Russia is allied to N.Korea. That's a big lever.
Meanwhile China is playing it's long game (anyone else see the article about a Hong Kong dissident in the UK being targeted for protesting a 5 acre Chinese embassy in London).

We should do but you can see on mn and elsewhere some do not.

Thankyou.

Arguing that Hamas should step down first is just continuing to allow Israel to kill and displace Palestinians indiscriminately.

What genuine pressure could the Uk, the US and the EU put on Hamas? There are lots of ways to put pressure on Israel without taking all their weapons away - partial weapons bans, economic sanctions. They need to make a ceasefire and a two state solution the least worse option for Israel.

I completely agree that it is difficult to unpick. And none of us have all the answers but it’s also so much more complicated than Hamas just stepping down. The Palestinians were oppressed before Hamas and oppressing a people grows terrorism. Blinken in that final speech on the matter made credible points about how Hamas would not be destroyed in this way and the answer lay in offering Palestinians a peaceful, political pathway to their own state.

Anyway, a year ago if Hamas had stepped down. Prehaps the international pressure on Israel would have become too great to ignore. But now with the US getting on board with clearing Gaza of all Palestinians there is no hope at all with that line of argument.

How do you imagine the war will end if Hamas don't step down @Odras?

Israel won't stop until Hamas agree to lay down their weapons.

The Israeli military has begun calling up tens of thousands of reservists according to this BBC article

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2e44y44gjo