Hamas has formally rejected the latest ceasefire proposal

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8gzm0p1y8o

Not unexpected, but still another blow for the innocent people trapped in this. Hamas signed innocent people up to die when they planned and executed their attack on October 7th, and they're still condemning innocent people to death now. Healthcare and aid services are devastated. Nowhere in Gaza is safe. The innocent people they abducted and took hostage remain captive. Over 50,000 people dead in Palestine and Israel.

How's the current situation working out for them?

Not great, not great for Israel either though as it has become a pariah state that will for a long time be remembered as the country who killed thousands and thousands of innocent children.

I don't see any winners here.

That sounds perfect.

Do you think Netanyahu and his cabinet with members such as Ben Gvir and Smotrich will agree to the complete withdrawal from Palestine and allow a two state solution to unfold.

Ha! As if Israel will ever allow a Palestinian state. Netanyahu only just told off Macron for suggesting France could recognise Palestine as a state.

Is it a pariah state? I thought people were complaining that western governments were supporting them, which is it?

There's still massive investment in Israel and it's a world leader in medicine and technology

Tourism has obviously taken a hit, not many people are going to Ukraine on holiday either right now

Israel will be fine. Netanyahu will be out at the next election. Meanwhile in Gaza they're stuck with Hamas who have refused elections since they were voted in in 2006

Hamas have lost and now their own people are turning against them telling them to go. They're holding on to power by violence and killing people, nothing else

And now explain his reasons for saying that. It's not as black and white as you propose

"with western help they can rebuild and a two state solution can be reached" @PollyPaintsFlowers

A great idea, but how do you force Israel to accept a 2 state solution ?

Israel's image has unfortunately been tarnished beyond repair. I don't see them recovering on the world stage after they have carried out a well documented genocide.

It depends. Would there be a two state solution while one of those states is still committed to wiping out the other? Not just Israel, no country could foresee two states living successfully side by side in that situation. Netanyahu can be voted out, Hamas are hanging on for dear life. If they were to go, like Netanyahu and his cronies will be at the next election, yes I can see it happening. Not overnight, after every Intifada the politics in Israel lurches further to the right and after 7/10 even die hard peace activists said the dream of a peaceful two state solution was over. It will take a long time for wounds to heal on both sides but there are still peace initiatives happening in Israel which gives hope

How do you force Hamas to have a two state solution when it's in their charter they don't even recognise the validity and existence of Israel?

That's subjective, I have a different opinion

You may also want to take a look at Germany that actually did carry out a genocide

It depends. Would there be a two state solution while one of those states is still committed to wiping out the other? @PollyPaintsFlowers

A year ago, Hamas offered a 5 year ceasefire and dissolution of its armed wing if Israel withdrew to 1967 borders and a Palestinian state were formed.

Perhaps Israel has hope in the future too if they change their genocidal ways like Germany did.

It's a war, not a genocide 🥱, save your anger for those who started it and won't finish it

Hamas did offer a 'truce', which isn't really a long term peace but they wanted this in exchange 'He said Hamas would accept “a fully sovereign Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and the return of Palestinian refugees in accordance with the international resolutions,” along Israel’s pre-1967 borders.'

No way could Israel absorb millions of refugees. It's unworkable, no wonder it didn't happen

Israel is the size of Wales, the whole of the UK couldn't absorb 1.76 million 'refugees'

You seem to forget that Israel are at war and they didn’t start the mass killings, Hamas did.

Most of the international community don’t consider it a genocide but a war where Israel were not the aggressor.

Investigations will be carried out after the war and certain individuals will be found to have committed war crimes and be punished for that. But Israel as a whole - they will be fine. It is the people of Gaza who are not fine and never will be unless the parasites from within are removed. Pleased to hear about anti Hamas protests from within Gaza. I hope the people are waking up to how they have been exploited for years & kept poor while Hamas thrived. And then flung Gaza into a war that Hamas couldn’t win on their own and oh look, they are on their own.

And even now … too much pride to agree to a ceasefire. Would prefer to carry on seeing the people of Gaza dying than admit they have lost the war.

You might think that Twiglets but I don't and I am entitled to my opinion. I will always consider Israel as a genocidal state that murdered thousands of children in Gaza and made life hell for the others in the west bank.

You are of course entitled to your own opinion @Kakeandkake

Does your opinion also include Hamas (as defacto govt of Gaza) as a genocidal actor?

Their charter demands the eradication of another state and people. That is a call for genocide.

Hamas are what’s wrong with Palestine.
Their doctrine is ‘kill all Jews’
Maybe if the government weren’t so hell bent on religion and decimating the Jewish population the world would take their plight more seriously.
It ain’t Israel’s fault their borders exist but hey, let’s annihilate them anyway 🙄

Their doctrine is ‘kill all Jews’ @Madcatdudette

No it isn't, that's just what you imagine it to be.

And anyway, even it it were the aim of Hamas to "kill all Jews", there are probably no more than 30,000 of them and at least 15 million of us, nearly half of whom live in the United States and as such, are likely to be owners of and trained in, the use of firearms.

Have you read the Hamas Charter? The only real difference between the two versions is they changed ‘Jews’ to ‘Zionist’s’
And who are you referring to when you write ‘us’?

Yes I have read both the original and the 2017 revision (not in its entirety, but what I believe to be the salient points) and the latter clearly states that their grievance is with the "Zionist project", not Jews per se.

Now whether you want to believe them or not is up to you, but it is certainly not stated as doctrine that they want to "kill all Jews".