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Conflict in the Middle East

How might things have been different

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Oodiks · 04/02/2025 21:23

Several posters on here refer to Israel as a colonizing state, what different decisions could have been made back in the 30s and 40s, following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, to create stability in the Middle East?
I posted a different version of this question that got deleted without comment, I'm hoping this is an acceptable question.

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TheWayTheLightFalls · 04/02/2025 21:27

Opening bid: The Balfour Declaration ought to have been negotiated or decided differently.

Oodiks · 04/02/2025 21:31

TheWayTheLightFalls · 04/02/2025 21:27

Opening bid: The Balfour Declaration ought to have been negotiated or decided differently.

Could you expand on that answer? How might a different declaration have helped and what would have been different to make it work?

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SpiritAdder · 04/02/2025 21:59

TheWayTheLightFalls · 04/02/2025 21:27

Opening bid: The Balfour Declaration ought to have been negotiated or decided differently.

I agree, involving the locals in the negotiations would have been a plus instead of the U.K. and USA drawing lines on a map in the bowels of the UN in NYC.

I don’t think the local Muslims & Christians agreed to the British representing them, or that the local Jews agreed to the American Zionists representing them.

Oodiks · 04/02/2025 22:29

SpiritAdder · 04/02/2025 21:59

I agree, involving the locals in the negotiations would have been a plus instead of the U.K. and USA drawing lines on a map in the bowels of the UN in NYC.

I don’t think the local Muslims & Christians agreed to the British representing them, or that the local Jews agreed to the American Zionists representing them.

How do you think the lines might have been different? Would Israel have any place in your new map? How about Jordan, Syria, Egypt and Palestine?

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SpiritAdder · 04/02/2025 23:21

Oodiks · 04/02/2025 22:29

How do you think the lines might have been different? Would Israel have any place in your new map? How about Jordan, Syria, Egypt and Palestine?

I’m not a local from the region that was the Palestine Mandate of the 1930s/40s, so I have no say in the matter.

Your question is asking what should the people in the 1930s/40s have done then.

I’m not interested in writing an alternate fictional history of what might have been.

Oodiks · 04/02/2025 23:38

SpiritAdder · 04/02/2025 23:21

I’m not a local from the region that was the Palestine Mandate of the 1930s/40s, so I have no say in the matter.

Your question is asking what should the people in the 1930s/40s have done then.

I’m not interested in writing an alternate fictional history of what might have been.

Thanks for sharing

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mouthpipette · 04/02/2025 23:47

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Oodiks · 05/02/2025 00:46

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It is kind of sobering to think that Hitler might have had more of a chance of finishing the job he started if European Jews hadn't had somewhere to escape to.

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OchaLove · 05/02/2025 01:32

Oodiks · 05/02/2025 00:46

It is kind of sobering to think that Hitler might have had more of a chance of finishing the job he started if European Jews hadn't had somewhere to escape to.

And this gives Israel the right to do similar things to Palestinians?

Oodiks · 05/02/2025 02:10

Israel is not rounding up Palestinians, cataloging them, experimenting on them, stealing their fillings, sterilising then en masse, gassing them… Do you have any idea what the Nazis actually did?

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Oodiks · 05/02/2025 02:11

In response to @OchaLove

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OchaLove · 05/02/2025 02:14

Oodiks · 05/02/2025 02:10

Israel is not rounding up Palestinians, cataloging them, experimenting on them, stealing their fillings, sterilising then en masse, gassing them… Do you have any idea what the Nazis actually did?

Did you watch today's Netenyahu and Trump meeting? Are you sure they're not rounding up Palestinians?

OchaLove · 05/02/2025 02:16

Also at what point we can show empathy and humanity towards Palestinians? If they are not killed the same way, does it not count?

mids2019 · 05/02/2025 06:21

Moses could have done another job?

I think this is a hypothetical question with wanting to discuss the Half our treaty exposing how mean and bad the West are.

LetThereBeLove · 05/02/2025 08:18

Oodiks · 05/02/2025 00:46

It is kind of sobering to think that Hitler might have had more of a chance of finishing the job he started if European Jews hadn't had somewhere to escape to.

The British made it incredibly difficult for Jews trying to escape Nazi persecution before WW2 even began. Many of the ships were made to turn around. I know this for a fact as my mother tried to reach the mandate and failed. BTW Hitler made a damn good job of ridding the world of European Jewry.

LetThereBeLove · 05/02/2025 08:19

OchaLove · 05/02/2025 01:32

And this gives Israel the right to do similar things to Palestinians?

Unlike the Nazis Israel has no extermination camps.

LetThereBeLove · 05/02/2025 08:21

SpiritAdder · 04/02/2025 23:21

I’m not a local from the region that was the Palestine Mandate of the 1930s/40s, so I have no say in the matter.

Your question is asking what should the people in the 1930s/40s have done then.

I’m not interested in writing an alternate fictional history of what might have been.

Agree. What is the point?
No one can rewrite history although Holocaust deniers give it a good try, despite evidence and testimony that it happened.

mouthpipette · 05/02/2025 17:50

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mouthpipette · 05/02/2025 17:50

Expecting tumbleweed.

Vivi0 · 05/02/2025 17:59

OchaLove · 05/02/2025 01:32

And this gives Israel the right to do similar things to Palestinians?

Would you care to expand on what you consider to be “similar things”?

Oodiks · 05/02/2025 19:51

OchaLove · 05/02/2025 02:16

Also at what point we can show empathy and humanity towards Palestinians? If they are not killed the same way, does it not count?

I probably have more empathy for the Palestinian people than their leaders do. Thier leaders encourage them to become martyrs for their cause, where's the humanity there?

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OchaLove · 06/02/2025 02:44

Vivi0 · 05/02/2025 17:59

Would you care to expand on what you consider to be “similar things”?

Dehumanization, extermination, genocide, ethnic cleansing (latest Trump's offer)

OchaLove · 06/02/2025 02:46

Oodiks · 05/02/2025 19:51

I probably have more empathy for the Palestinian people than their leaders do. Thier leaders encourage them to become martyrs for their cause, where's the humanity there?

It's a good thing that as a person you have empathy for Palestinian people. If majority of Israeli people would have empathy for them then we would see humanity winning, wouldn't we?

OchaLove · 06/02/2025 02:46

LetThereBeLove · 05/02/2025 08:19

Unlike the Nazis Israel has no extermination camps.

Wasn't Gaza an open prison before it was turned into rubble by IDF?

Oodiks · 06/02/2025 03:04

OchaLove · 06/02/2025 02:46

Wasn't Gaza an open prison before it was turned into rubble by IDF?

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Have you ever seen footage of actual Nazi extermination camps?

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