To find it fascinating that…

[BooToYouHalloween]

Out of the endless, obsessive threads on here about Gaza (“Conflict in the Middle East” LOL just be honest and call it the Gaza/Israel board since no one on here could probably even name another country in the Middle East let alone the numerous other conflicts there) there has not been one thread dedicated to the release of three female hostages yesterday.

Mumsnet is predominantly frequented by women, many of whom claim to have women and girls’ interests at heart and yet photographs of these three young women, who’ve been held at gunpoint by men for more than 15 months, who were made to wear specific outfits and smile for the camera before being released into a terrifying baying mob of masked men wielding machine guns literally stomping on top of Red Cross vans - with at least one of the woman we know for 100% having been the victim of male violence since she’s missing her fingers which they shot off her hand - while the others are very likely to have been sexually abused - doesn’t even warrant a thread.

It’s like maybe most of you that frequent this board don’t actually give a crap about humanitarianism… so I wonder what could be prompting your obsession with this conflict? Hmmm 🤔🤔🤔

Your first point makes zero sense

1. A post said that people were kidnapped from a music festival and "the world accepts that".
2. Your response was, that's not the whole story, Israel isn't an innocent party.
3. The implication is that the backstory is relevant to whether we accept or condemn the kidnappings.
4. The implied conclusion is therefore that the kidnapping was in some way justified, because 'Israel isn't an innocent party'. If that wasn't your conclusion, what point were you trying to make?

You're saying that the 'genocide' is a potential cause or motivator of the kidnappings from the Nova music festival. But it can't be a cause because the 'genocide' happened after the kidnappings.

Have I misunderstood your point?

Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, forcibly removing every last Jew and handing it over entirely to the Palestinians. There is no occupation.

The Palestinian population has been growing exponentially by their own census. There is no genocide.

Also if you think it’s OK to come and kidnap babies from their beds and murder teenagers at a music festival because of what their government may or may not have done, the UK would be in for a world of fucking pain.

Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, forcibly removing every last Jew and handing it over entirely to the Palestinians. There is no occupation.
Correct but you can't deny that Israel has imposed a blockade on Gaza.
https://www.unicef.org/mena/documents/gaza-strip-humanitarian-impact-15-years-blockade-june-2022
The Palestinian population has been growing exponentially by their own census. There is no genocide.
Again genocide is defined by intent, not numbers. What happened in Rwanda and Bosnia are recognised as genocide. What is happening in Gaza will be judged to be a genocide or not by a court of law, not you or I.
Also if you think it’s OK to come and kidnap babies from their beds and murder teenagers at a music festival because of what their government may or may not have done, the UK would be in for a world of fucking pain.
Who thinks this? You seem to confuse explaining and excusing these horrific acts.
I think it is important to understand how and why such acts happen, in order to prevent them happening again.

The only reason a civilian hostage is taken is because a hostage taker decides to take one. Absolutely nothing justifies it.

Why didn't you start one then 🙄?

Egypt also has a blockade of Gaza. Why do you think Hamas just targeted Israeli kids?

No one is saying that what had happened to the hostages and the three woman recently released is ok. However the op asked why no one seemed to care. People do care, it's all over the news. But we also care about the woman and children released from Israel. And we also no there is a whole lot of history in this area that needs to be remembered.

Why don't you stop asking questions and just come out with what you want to say. Would be a lot quicker

Its awful. They shot Emily's dog whilst she is as holding him trying to calm him and that's why she is missing part of her hand. So pleased those women are home but the fact the Bibas family are not is very worrying.

It seems as though you keep bringing up the history because you think it makes the kidnappings in some way understandable. Not fine of course, but in some way justified, or a reasonable response to the situation?

This horrific viewpoint is repeated time and time again by numerous posters on pretty much every ME thread.

Not justified at all, not an excuse but perhaps someway towards an explanation??

An explanation? That sounds more like a justification to me.

Would there ever be a circumstance where I would think kidnapping babies and children for a year and a half is the way to go? Nope.

Would there ever be a circumstance where I think there is a reasonable explanation for raping and killing innocent youngsters at a peace concert? Nope.

Exactly this.

I don't care what you THINK it sounds like

Completely agree

https://www.dci-palestine.org/_i_was_severely_beaten_if_i_moved_palestinian_children_held_without_charge_or_trial_by_israeli_forces

Again finding out why something happened is not excusing it.
If it was, inquiries and investigations wouldn't happen and no lessons would be learned.
Netanyahu has also rejected an investigation into 07/10 and has blocked one from the UN into the sexual violence Hamas inflicted because the inquiry would also look into the sexual violence committed by the Idf against Palestinians.
Why?

The way you keep bringing it up makes it sound like a justification. It is so obvious that attacks like Oct 7th don’t come out of nowhere, that it doesn’t need saying. So it feels like the reason people say it is to try and soften or mitigate what Hamas did.

I think this is possibly why people think twice about creating a thread about the hostages ..

because it just gets hijacked by posters with “explanations/ justifications” for acts that are completely unjustifiable.

Emily reunited with her mum on the main news tonight ❤️ so brave. Her hand gesture with 2 missing fingers shot off when Hamas killed her dog as she cuddled it.

I know. The reunions have been wonderful to watch. For obvious reasons I am scared to hear her story.

One can only imagine the lasting impact of being held underground for 15 months.