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Conflict in the Middle East
Susanisnotmyrealname · 19/12/2024 06:56

Yes they have committed genocide for a long time now.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 19/12/2024 07:30

The graph shows on average each person gets 2 to 9 litres of water each enough to drink but lower than suggested minimum

It's says the suggested minimum is 15 litres per day. So less than that.

BadgerInDungarees · 19/12/2024 08:08

That's really appalling reading. It's clear that Israel have purposefully deprived the civillian population of Gaza clean water and sanitation just like they said they would. It seems to be a very clear case of planning and then carrying out collective punishment by depriving men, women and children of something that is essential for life. Hopefully in time Israel will be punished to the full extent of the law for such disgusting behaviour.

Scirocco · 19/12/2024 08:13

Access to at least the WHO minimum to meet basic needs is essential for health. This is one of the top priorities in disaster zones.

Without enough water, people cannot drink enough to avoid dehydration and its physical effects (which can include organ failure and death). People can't cook food or prepare formula for babies. People can't wash their hands and carry out personal hygiene activities to maintain their own health and prevent the spread of communicable diseases. Sewage systems won't work properly, toilets won't work, hygiene can't be maintained in places like hospitals and refugee shelters where it's really important for hygiene to be maintained. Disease then spreads among a physically frail, malnourished population. Operations can't be done safely. People starve and their organs fail. People die. Water is survival in disaster zones.

People might think "oh, but I only drink a couple of litres of water per day". It's not about purely what people have available for drinking. The majority of our essential water usage isn't what we drink.

The world needs to stop making excuses for this. If these figures were being reported about circumstances in a disaster zone somewhere like the USA or the UK, most people would be saying how awful it is and looking to see what is going to be done to ensure people get access to the WHO minimum at least, rather than saying "well, it sounds enough to drink to me". Another example of people's prejudices.

Dulra · 19/12/2024 08:44

Scirocco · 19/12/2024 08:13

Access to at least the WHO minimum to meet basic needs is essential for health. This is one of the top priorities in disaster zones.

Without enough water, people cannot drink enough to avoid dehydration and its physical effects (which can include organ failure and death). People can't cook food or prepare formula for babies. People can't wash their hands and carry out personal hygiene activities to maintain their own health and prevent the spread of communicable diseases. Sewage systems won't work properly, toilets won't work, hygiene can't be maintained in places like hospitals and refugee shelters where it's really important for hygiene to be maintained. Disease then spreads among a physically frail, malnourished population. Operations can't be done safely. People starve and their organs fail. People die. Water is survival in disaster zones.

People might think "oh, but I only drink a couple of litres of water per day". It's not about purely what people have available for drinking. The majority of our essential water usage isn't what we drink.

The world needs to stop making excuses for this. If these figures were being reported about circumstances in a disaster zone somewhere like the USA or the UK, most people would be saying how awful it is and looking to see what is going to be done to ensure people get access to the WHO minimum at least, rather than saying "well, it sounds enough to drink to me". Another example of people's prejudices.

Thank you for that explanation. So important as there is a continual trend on here of minimising and denying the reality of what is happening. There is none so blind as those that cannot see

"well, it sounds enough to drink to me". Another example of people's prejudices.
This is more than prejudice this is hate

Whatsinanamehey · 19/12/2024 08:52

Scirocco · 19/12/2024 08:13

Access to at least the WHO minimum to meet basic needs is essential for health. This is one of the top priorities in disaster zones.

Without enough water, people cannot drink enough to avoid dehydration and its physical effects (which can include organ failure and death). People can't cook food or prepare formula for babies. People can't wash their hands and carry out personal hygiene activities to maintain their own health and prevent the spread of communicable diseases. Sewage systems won't work properly, toilets won't work, hygiene can't be maintained in places like hospitals and refugee shelters where it's really important for hygiene to be maintained. Disease then spreads among a physically frail, malnourished population. Operations can't be done safely. People starve and their organs fail. People die. Water is survival in disaster zones.

People might think "oh, but I only drink a couple of litres of water per day". It's not about purely what people have available for drinking. The majority of our essential water usage isn't what we drink.

The world needs to stop making excuses for this. If these figures were being reported about circumstances in a disaster zone somewhere like the USA or the UK, most people would be saying how awful it is and looking to see what is going to be done to ensure people get access to the WHO minimum at least, rather than saying "well, it sounds enough to drink to me". Another example of people's prejudices.

Thank you for your post. I think the majority of people who have been following this war will not be surprised to read this, there is no low that Israel will not stoop to, to hurt the Palestinians. I was listening to a doctor the other day who spoke about the increase in skin illnesses in Gaza because Israel for a period of time were not allowing in soap and hygiene products. Children were suffering the most because of this. It's cruel, extremely cruel.

Dulra · 19/12/2024 08:54

Whatsinanamehey · 19/12/2024 08:52

Thank you for your post. I think the majority of people who have been following this war will not be surprised to read this, there is no low that Israel will not stoop to, to hurt the Palestinians. I was listening to a doctor the other day who spoke about the increase in skin illnesses in Gaza because Israel for a period of time were not allowing in soap and hygiene products. Children were suffering the most because of this. It's cruel, extremely cruel.

Yes they are also denying any materials to build proper shelters so people can only construct tents which is getting increasingly difficult with the nighttime freezing temperatures

HelenHen · 19/12/2024 09:28

I honestly can't believe that this is still going on. How Israel can do this and then claim to have any moral high ground is very upsetting

HereForTheFreeLunch · 19/12/2024 09:32

There's a big difference between 2 litres for drinking Vs 2 litres for everything.
Isn't it torture on a mass scale to intentionally deprive people of these basic necessities. If I did it to someone I would be in jail - and rightly so.

I can't get my head around it.

Whatsinanamehey · 19/12/2024 09:37

HereForTheFreeLunch · 19/12/2024 09:32

There's a big difference between 2 litres for drinking Vs 2 litres for everything.
Isn't it torture on a mass scale to intentionally deprive people of these basic necessities. If I did it to someone I would be in jail - and rightly so.

I can't get my head around it.

That's why Netanyahu has been charged with crimes against humanity but according to him, he has done nothing wrong and it's just an anti-semitic attack.
Murdering thousands of Palestinians, intentionally depriving a whole population of the necessities to live and turning large parts of the enclave into uninhabitable rubble doesn't somehow come into it.

DayAfter · 19/12/2024 12:13

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YoYoYoYo12345 · 19/12/2024 12:25

Dulra · 19/12/2024 08:44

Thank you for that explanation. So important as there is a continual trend on here of minimising and denying the reality of what is happening. There is none so blind as those that cannot see

"well, it sounds enough to drink to me". Another example of people's prejudices.
This is more than prejudice this is hate

It's not prejudice it's a factual statement based on the graph. Adding the bits then pretending it's a quote is an interesting thing you've done. Quotation marks usually contain what is actually said word for word if you're not aware.

Another poster has subsequently added information on why it's 15 litres each person each day which is much more helpful.

Lalaloveya · 19/12/2024 12:58

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Wow. This is one of the most clueless and shameful posts I've ever seen on these boards. And that's saying something.

There's so much wrong with what you've said I don't even know where to start. But I suspect there's no point.

BadgerInDungarees · 19/12/2024 12:58

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Did you read the article, can you say how your post is relevant to it?

Whatsinanamehey · 19/12/2024 13:19

Lalaloveya · 19/12/2024 12:58

Wow. This is one of the most clueless and shameful posts I've ever seen on these boards. And that's saying something.

There's so much wrong with what you've said I don't even know where to start. But I suspect there's no point.

I agree but just to give the benefit of the doubt @DayAfter who do you think controls what goes into Gaza from all the crossings including the Rafah crossing?

EasterIssland · 19/12/2024 13:30

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So you’re happy for Israel to commit genocide then.

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Dulra · 19/12/2024 13:31

YoYoYoYo12345 · 19/12/2024 12:25

It's not prejudice it's a factual statement based on the graph. Adding the bits then pretending it's a quote is an interesting thing you've done. Quotation marks usually contain what is actually said word for word if you're not aware.

Another poster has subsequently added information on why it's 15 litres each person each day which is much more helpful.

The piece in inverted commas was the words from the post I quoted so not sure what you are on about.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 19/12/2024 13:58

Dulra · 19/12/2024 13:31

The piece in inverted commas was the words from the post I quoted so not sure what you are on about.

I see the piece in inverted commas, the quote is from another poster who put it in quotation marks. But no one actually said it on this thread. Its therefore an assumption of what one thinks might be said rather than actually quoting what someone did say. This is seen a lot on these threads and then the outrage at the prejudice of a statement that no one actually even said to start with. So next poster, ie you requotes it, as if it's been said. It wasn't said. I've checked the small number of posts before that and no one said it here.

DayAfter · 19/12/2024 14:05

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kirinm · 19/12/2024 14:10

@DayAfter isn't Israel meant to be at war with Hamas? Not innocent civilians in Gaza.

Dulra · 19/12/2024 14:13

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It is not about supplying and arming your enemy. It is about facilitating access to humanitarian aid. Don't worry Isreal aren't supplying just need to ensure civilians get access to it. Restricting humanitarian aid is a war crime.

Oh and the enemy is Hamas not innocent civilians but IDF seems to have mixed that one up too.

Whatsinanamehey · 19/12/2024 14:16

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Wrong answer.
Please go and check once again who is controlling the Rafah crossing.
Even whilst Egypt did have control of the crossing no aid could go into Gaza via Egypt until it had been checked by the Israeli side and approved by them which meant many essential items were not allowed in for ridiculous reasons.

Bagpussnotbothered · 19/12/2024 14:21

I support Israel going after Hamas (no country in the world would calmly accept the events of Oct 7th), but reservoirs and sanitation plants are not military targets. I can't view this as anything except collective punishment for October 7th and the Palestinian celebrations afterwards.

Gaza, looks like dystopian hellscape, now. It's going to take years to rebuild and the water supply has to be the priority.

PurpleChrayn · 19/12/2024 14:22

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