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BREAKING: ICC issues arrest warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant and Hamas commander

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Kakeandkake · 21/11/2024 12:22

This will really put the allies to test, will our government and other EU countries who are allies to Israel, arrest Netanyahu and Gallant if they travel there?

It has been a long time coming and they absolutely are worthy of being arrested for their war crimes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly2exvx944o

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ICC issues arrest warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant and Hamas commander

Judges found there were “reasonable grounds” they bore "criminal responsibility" for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly2exvx944o

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Lalaloveya · 21/11/2024 12:57

It will be interesting to see if Starmer will continue to support suspected war criminals, given his previous career prosecuting them. He's a disgrace.

Dulra · 21/11/2024 12:59

Chowtime · 21/11/2024 12:51

I'm confused. Are there people on this thread that think we should make Israel our enemy?

Netanyahu isn't Israel he is head of their current government and has an arrest warrant out against him. Do you think this should be ignored by the UK government because it might upset Israelis?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 21/11/2024 12:59

Chowtime · 21/11/2024 12:51

I'm confused. Are there people on this thread that think we should make Israel our enemy?

I certainly don't want us to make Israel our enemy. However, I don't think we can legitimately support Israel's current leadership or the actions that the current Israeli government is taking.

EasterIssland · 21/11/2024 13:00

Chowtime · 21/11/2024 12:51

I'm confused. Are there people on this thread that think we should make Israel our enemy?

Should we support a politician that is a war criminal? You can support Israel as a country and its existence without supporting its government and the decisions it’s taking (killing people from another country)
so , if that’s what you call make Israel our enemy, then yes that’s what I support

Kakeandkake · 21/11/2024 13:05

Chowtime · 21/11/2024 12:51

I'm confused. Are there people on this thread that think we should make Israel our enemy?

What's there to be confused about? Do you think we should support war criminals?

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Scirocco · 21/11/2024 13:07

Kakeandkake · 21/11/2024 12:51

And Ben Gvir has said called for the annexation of the entire West bank in response. It is beyond me why at the minimum he hasn't been sanctioned by our government yet. He is a raving dangerous lunatic.

Well, that seems like the response of a reasonable, well adjusted individual.

EasterIssland · 21/11/2024 13:09

Scirocco · 21/11/2024 13:07

Well, that seems like the response of a reasonable, well adjusted individual.

Some will say he has extremist views and doesn’t represent the government , apart from the fact he’s a member of the government

Babyboomtastic · 21/11/2024 13:09

Referring to a nation's leadership as that country is standard when talking about conflict.

A current headline in the BBC is "US official disputes Ukraine's claim that Russia used intercontinental ballistic missile". It's not "US official disputes as spokesperson for the Ukrainian government's claim that the Russian government used intercontinental ballistic missile."

We know that governments don't speak for all the people. We know that in pretty much all conflicts the dispute is between the leadership of countries and the military following their commands. They are however our representatives and where voted in democratically, a country takes their decisions as their own. More ambiguous where it's a dictatorship, but even then it's the shorthand we universally use.

We shouldn't wrap ourselves in knots to avoid wording that we happily use against other countries.

lionlass · 21/11/2024 13:26

Hope that bastard Starmer and the rest of his ilk are next.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 21/11/2024 13:27

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 21/11/2024 12:31

It's an interesting development. How do international arrest warrants actually work? Who gets to do the arresting and can it happen anywhere or only if the person travels outside their own country? I've never really given much thought to the mechanics of it.

Interpol can also arrest them. They will track them and notify participating local law enforcement to arrest them if/when they go into a country that will hand them over.

MissyB1 · 21/11/2024 13:28

Chowtime · 21/11/2024 12:51

I'm confused. Are there people on this thread that think we should make Israel our enemy?

Would you like to be friends with an international criminal? It's Netanyahu the arrest warrant is for not the people of Israel!

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 21/11/2024 13:33

Chowtime · 21/11/2024 12:51

I'm confused. Are there people on this thread that think we should make Israel our enemy?

I think Israel needs to be saved from Netanyahu and Gallant and the ICC warrants are a step in the right direction.

Kakeandkake · 21/11/2024 13:40

Maybe the Israelis will now oust their shameful leadership that has dragged their name through the mud.

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SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 21/11/2024 13:44

I am sure the tens of thousands of Israeli protesters that have been trying to oust Netanyahu from government are thrilled at this news.

If he were a reasonable man, he would resign immediately.

LetThereBeLove · 21/11/2024 14:10

EasterIssland · 21/11/2024 13:00

Should we support a politician that is a war criminal? You can support Israel as a country and its existence without supporting its government and the decisions it’s taking (killing people from another country)
so , if that’s what you call make Israel our enemy, then yes that’s what I support

Shame on you for stating that makes 'Israel our enemy' Many Israelis want a change on leadership, are they also 'our enemies'? They aren't mine.

EasterIssland · 21/11/2024 14:11

LetThereBeLove · 21/11/2024 14:10

Shame on you for stating that makes 'Israel our enemy' Many Israelis want a change on leadership, are they also 'our enemies'? They aren't mine.

Please… read it all and don’t take only the bit of sentence that suits you as that’s not what I meant. We are not making Israel our enemy by declaring the PM a war criminal. Unless you only care about the PM and then yes we are making it our enemy. I think it was clear that I was talking about the government all the time and not the citizens.

LetThereBeLove · 21/11/2024 14:14

EasterIssland · 21/11/2024 14:11

Please… read it all and don’t take only the bit of sentence that suits you as that’s not what I meant. We are not making Israel our enemy by declaring the PM a war criminal. Unless you only care about the PM and then yes we are making it our enemy. I think it was clear that I was talking about the government all the time and not the citizens.

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It wasn't clear at all but thanks for clarifying.

EasterIssland · 21/11/2024 14:18

The guardia.
Netanyahu's office: ICC ruling is 'absurd and false lies' and 'antisemitic'
In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.”
Benjamin Netanyahu’s office say they categorically reject the claims levelled against Israel’s prime minister. Former defense minister Yoav Gallant has also been issued with an arrest warrant.
Netanyahu’s office said the country will “not yield to pressure, will not be deterred, and will not retreat” until, it said, all of Israel’s war aims are achieved.
The three-judge panel wrote in its unanimous decision to issue the warrants: “The chamber considered that there are reasonable grounds to believe that both individuals intentionally and knowingly deprived the civilian population in Gaza of objects indispensable to their survival, including food, water, and medicine and medical supplies, as well as fuel and electricity.”
In October 2023, two days after the surprise attack by Hamas inside southern Israel which killed about 1,200 people and led to about 250 people being seized and abducted as hostages, Gallant said “I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”
About 100 people are still believed held hostage by Hamas and other groups in Gaza, at least some of which are known to have been killed. Hamas-led authorities in Gaza have put the death toll from Israel’s 13-month long military campaign at over 40,000, although it has not been possible for journalists to verify the casualty figures.

Usernamesareboring1 · 21/11/2024 14:23

lionlass · 21/11/2024 13:26

Hope that bastard Starmer and the rest of his ilk are next.

This. He, Emily Thornberry and David Lammy defended Israel's "right" to cut off food and water. Now that there are charges of starvation as a method of warfare, I hope they are held accountable for cosigning this. Inexcusable for anyone but particularly lawyers.

dorabora · 21/11/2024 14:41

lionlass · 21/11/2024 13:26

Hope that bastard Starmer and the rest of his ilk are next.

I don't like starmer, I actually hate his face. There's something about him that makes me uneasy

DiaAssolellat · 21/11/2024 14:48

Long overdue IMO. It’s excellent news.

MissyB1 · 21/11/2024 15:26

Usernamesareboring1 · 21/11/2024 14:23

This. He, Emily Thornberry and David Lammy defended Israel's "right" to cut off food and water. Now that there are charges of starvation as a method of warfare, I hope they are held accountable for cosigning this. Inexcusable for anyone but particularly lawyers.

Totally agree, and Sunak too, all of the bloody politicians that have supported the genocide!

username358 · 21/11/2024 18:15

Kakeandkake · 21/11/2024 13:40

Maybe the Israelis will now oust their shameful leadership that has dragged their name through the mud.

I was wondering about this. Can Israel force an election or is the law different during a war?