In case you are wondering how Jews in (some) Muslim countries are treated :(

[Jewishbookworm]

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/2329268/tragic-news-iran-executes-jewish-man-arvin-netanel-ghahremani-despite-global-efforts-to-save-him.html

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-827439

Baruch Dayan Haemet. Blessed is the True Judge.

The current Iranian regime is on a par with the Taliban it is a dangerous terrorist regime. It is terrible what they have done to this Jewish man, but it is inappropriate to suggest that this is how Jews are treated in some muslim countries. This is Iran, this is how they are treated by this dangerous Iranian regime, along with many other ethnic minorities that have also been executed. Authorities in Iran have suppressed many rights the most vulnerable are women and girls, LGBTI people, and ethnic and religious minorities who are subjected to systemic discrimination and violence.

May this poor man rest in peace.

The 'victim's family could have chosen to let this man live, but they didn't. Its not just the regime.

I agree the Iranian regime is horrible for all people. But just a bit more horrible if you are Jewish.

I agree the Iranian regime is horrible for all people. But just a bit more horrible if you are Jewish.

Yes I agree with that, I just felt your thread title was offensive to Muslims, equating the Iranian regime to (some) Muslim countries

I said some because obv there are some Muslim countries where Jews live peacefully and equally.

Although most Muslim countries don't have any Jews living there, they mostly fled.

The Jewish population in Arab countries has decreased dramatically since 1945, when there were around 866,000 Jews living in the region:

1945: There were between 758,000 and 866,000 Jews living in Arab countries.

Today: There are fewer than 10,000 Jews in Arab countries.

Reasons for the exodus: The reasons for the exodus are varied and disputed, but include anti-Semitism, persecution, and duress.

Destination countries: The majority of Jews moved to Israel, France, and the United States.

That is from Google but I know that it is true, I have read about it in other news sources as well, persicution against jews has escalated.

You could have just said Iran...

Yes, very sad and true. It’s always brushed under the carpet by people who don’t care about Jews.

Most Muslim countries don’t have any Jews left because how they have cleansed them from the area.

The UN have long spoken out about Irans capital punishment. It is barbaric and had been on the increase lately.

I'm not sure expecting the family of the man who was killed to spare his killer is fair though. You just have to look at mumsnet to see that there is support out there for capital punishment, and many believe in an eye for an eye. It's the same in the US where capital punishment is used, sometimes the victims families actually go and watch the executions.

I'm not sure if he received the sentence he did because he was Jewish or because he was convicted of muder? If it was the former then that's awful, 2 tier justice systems aren't fair(obviously), it isn't something that is unique to Muslim countries and it should be condemned where ever it happens.

But just a bit more horrible if you are Jewish.

The women of Iran beg to differ. They're murdered by the state for showing their hair and are basically living in an open prison.

Not having a fair trial is a travesty but Iranian women aren't even given a farcical trial.

The Jewish women of Iran suffer under exactly the same rules.

This is not just about a fair trial. There are litereally different laws for Jews (and other non-Muslims) and Muslims. See here: https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/05/21/jewish-man-facing-execution-under-irans-apartheid-laws-targeting-minorities/

Are you accusing "most Muslim countries" of ethnic cleansing Jews?

Please don't make this a race to the bottom. An Iranian woman disappeared recently for protesting the clothing laws and is now missing presumed dead. Thousands have been subject to torture, imprisonment or death in the recent protests.

All religious minorities in Iran are discriminated against and Muslims who convert are subject to arbitrary detention, torture or the death penalty for 'apostasy'.

I’m sure there are many horrendous stories of Jews having an abysmal time under Muslim rule both in historical and modern times but there are also some more positive stories- Maimonides, one of the most important scholars of Judaism lived in Egypt and was personal physician to the Muslim ruler.

During the Spanish Inquisition, many Jews found refuge in Muslim counties- the Ottoman Sultan even invited a number of Jews to settle in Istanbul. For a Jew living under Muslim rule was infinitely preferable to living under Christian rule until very very recently.

I’m not sure what the purpose of the OP is- are you trying to say some Jews have a terrible time living in some Muslim societies as if this can counter what Israel is doing to the Palestinians? I don’t think anything can justify that.

Good grief. If you have to go back to the 12th century you are rather proving the point.

Yes, it is true, all non Muslims are suffer under similar laws.

In the context of how the Iranian regime treats its citizens this may not seem so terrible. Its true, its a horrible regime. Why are we shocked that they have different laws that apply to different people? But I am.

Hoping for a better future for all of Iran's people.

I have some Iranian Jewish family members so I feel especially saddened by this story. It was in the news for a while and I was really hoping he would be ok.

But no.

Here are some more modern examples for you then:

The numerous Muslims who saved their Jewish friends and neighbours during WW2- some of them in Muslim majority Albania. Have a look at the French Imam of a Paris Mosque.

The OP has quoted the story of an Iranian Jew/ here is a link about some others:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/despite-tension-between-iran-and-israel-irans-jewish-minority-feels-at-home

And before you attack me again, this is not from some backwater Iranian source- it’s from PBS but I’ve also seen it on USA Today.

I am married to an Iranian who is vehemently opposed to the regime (and vehemently pro-Israel, but that’s a whole other thread!)

I don’t really understand why, in view of their treatment by the regime, so (relatively) many Jews remain in Iran? DH says they have only known Iran and are quite nationalistic towards the country (although perhaps not the government) and being “Persian Jews”.

That’s said it seems to be quite small numbers - about 10k I think. Still, it’s the largest Jewish population in the ME (outside Israel). I would have thought their treatment would be more favourable in at least some Arab countries…

i find the history of the region fascinating - so much nuance. Lots to learn!

I wasn't attacking you!

I'm shocked that you are shocked! If a country like Iran having different laws for different people shocks you I don't know what finding out about Israels military judicial system specifically for Palestinians in the West Bank will do to you. Two different polulations living in the same area subject to two entirely different legal systems. You should read up on it, it is appalling.

From what I understand, if a Jewish person wants to leave Iran, they can't take their money with them. So all the very poor Jews left since this wasn't a concern, and all the very rich Jews (who had ways of moving money) also left. Those that are left are the middle class Jews who have comfortable lives and fear the poverty they may face if they leave.

They are free to travel abroad but not to Israel, (where many have relatives). I met someone who had to flee Iran because they visited Israel via a second country and got found out.

The Iranian Jews I know are very proudly Persian. Their parents or grandparents might have left the country 50 years ago but they strongly identify as Persian Jews, have their own communities and customs and usually marry each other.

@Vinvertebrate I have heard that about anti-regime Iranians being very pro-Israel. It doesn't surprise me.

@Jewishbookworm you'll always see Iranians at pro-Israel rallies or events against antisemitism here, flying the pre-revolution flag.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/despite-tension-between-iran-and-israel-irans-jewish-minority-feels-at-home

I read the transcript and it made fascinating reading. I'd love to hear in-depth interviews with Iranian Jews.

They are the easiest route for Israeli intelligence to get into Iran and so whilst having certain freedoms, they must also be very closely watched and not given sensitive positions in government or the military.

The questions I would like to ask Iranian Jews would be.;

Do all your Jewish kids go only to Jewish schools?
Do you "mingle" with the muslim population or are you tightly knit ?
How much of a "front" do you have to put on to portray Iran as being a good place to live ?
Do you encounter anti-semitism ?
How are other minority religions treated?
How easy is it to keep kosher ?

@Dulra you're being a bit disingenuous to suggest Jews are welcome in other Muslim countries. There are some where the Jewish community is accepted but there are lots where the majority of the community emigrated (often to Israel) precisely because they were being persecuted: Iraq, Pakistan, Turkey. There are many Muslim countries where Jews are not welcome.

@Lemonlettuce I think the point is that the argument is regularly made (admittedly by the most extremist protesters) that Israel doesn't have a right to exist and the Israeli Jewish population should return to the countries they originally came from. This doesn't work when you consider many came from Muslim countries who don't want them.

Thanks @Jewishbookworm

you're being a bit disingenuous to suggest Jews are welcome in other Muslim countries.

If you read back on my posts you will see I didn't say that. My issue was with the thread title suggesting "some" muslim countries are akin to Iran