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Conflict in the Middle East

In case you are wondering how Jews in (some) Muslim countries are treated :(

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Jewishbookworm · 04/11/2024 21:13

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/2329268/tragic-news-iran-executes-jewish-man-arvin-netanel-ghahremani-despite-global-efforts-to-save-him.html

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-827439

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https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/2329268/tragic-news-iran-executes-jewish-man-arvin-netanel-ghahremani-despite-global-efforts-to-save-him.html

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Jewishbookworm · 06/11/2024 21:32

Dulra · 06/11/2024 07:59

you're being a bit disingenuous to suggest Jews are welcome in other Muslim countries.

If you read back on my posts you will see I didn't say that. My issue was with the thread title suggesting "some" muslim countries are akin to Iran

I was actually trying to say that there are Muslim countries who are welcoming to Jews in my title. I didn't want to suggest that all Muslim countries discriminate against Jews.

Its true that Iran is unique in its really awful government, but many other Muslim countries are not particularly welcome to Jews.

Turkey is actually one of the countries which does have a large-ish Jewish population who live there fairly happily.

Morrocco has a smallish community, other countries have almost none.

Here is a really interesting article about the Jewish community in Iran from a few years ago. @mouthpipette it might answer some of your questions. https://forward.com/news/31926.....ched/

How Iran’s Jews Survive in Mullahs’ World

The first thing I noticed about Shahab Shahamifar as we strolled to synagogue on a Saturday morning in July was his yarmulke. It was a medium-size, black knitted one, and he was wearing it as we walked the busy streets of Tehran. Then I noticed that no...

https://forward.com/news/319269/irans-jews-win-secure-place-in-mullahs-world-with-strings-attached/

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SharonEllis · 06/11/2024 21:46

@Jewishbookworm I think the situation in Turkey has deteriorated significantly since 7/10 & I read recently that in recent years the population had shrunk to the extent that finding marriage partners was starting to be difficult. There are about 14k Jewish people in Turkey now - half the Jewish population of Manchester, and a fraction of what it was a century ago .

Kendodd · 06/11/2024 22:08

Jewishbookworm · 05/11/2024 15:38

The Jewish women of Iran suffer under exactly the same rules.

This is not just about a fair trial. There are litereally different laws for Jews (and other non-Muslims) and Muslims. See here: https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/05/21/jewish-man-facing-execution-under-irans-apartheid-laws-targeting-minorities/

Are there different laws specifically for Jewish people? Or is it different laws for Muslims and non Muslims and the laws that apply to Jewish people apply to all non Muslims?
If its the later, I believe quite a few Muslim countries have different laws that apply to Muslim and non Muslim citizens and the two groups can be treated very differently by the police and courts. Not defending this btw.
For what it's worth, in the UK we do also treat citizens and non citizens differently with different rights, I know this isn't comparable to Iran though and every country has such rules. I have heard Israel has some different laws depending on your religion as well.
I'm an atheist, I think religion is bonkers so treating people differently because of it makes no sense to be.

Kendodd · 06/11/2024 22:13

Jewishbookworm · 05/11/2024 22:07

From what I understand, if a Jewish person wants to leave Iran, they can't take their money with them. So all the very poor Jews left since this wasn't a concern, and all the very rich Jews (who had ways of moving money) also left. Those that are left are the middle class Jews who have comfortable lives and fear the poverty they may face if they leave.

They are free to travel abroad but not to Israel, (where many have relatives). I met someone who had to flee Iran because they visited Israel via a second country and got found out.

The Iranian Jews I know are very proudly Persian. Their parents or grandparents might have left the country 50 years ago but they strongly identify as Persian Jews, have their own communities and customs and usually marry each other.

@Vinvertebrate I have heard that about anti-regime Iranians being very pro-Israel. It doesn't surprise me.

That's very interesting. TBH I'm surprised to hear there are any Jewish people living in Iran, I would have thought they'd all left.

mouthpipette · 06/11/2024 22:20

@Jewishbookworm
Thanks for the link, It made fascinating reading. It was actually quite reassuring to realise that those who say "Iran wants to kill all Jews" are absolutely wrong. Not a perfect life being an Iranian Jew, but according to the article, thousands see it as being preferable to being an Israeli Jew, and that was 10 years ago.

RadioBamboo · 07/11/2024 12:02

Kendodd · 06/11/2024 22:08

Are there different laws specifically for Jewish people? Or is it different laws for Muslims and non Muslims and the laws that apply to Jewish people apply to all non Muslims?
If its the later, I believe quite a few Muslim countries have different laws that apply to Muslim and non Muslim citizens and the two groups can be treated very differently by the police and courts. Not defending this btw.
For what it's worth, in the UK we do also treat citizens and non citizens differently with different rights, I know this isn't comparable to Iran though and every country has such rules. I have heard Israel has some different laws depending on your religion as well.
I'm an atheist, I think religion is bonkers so treating people differently because of it makes no sense to be.

For what it's worth, in the UK we do also treat citizens and non citizens differently with different rights

I don't think that this is right (except to the extent that any country treats non-citizens differently, eg need a visa to live here and are subject to the conditions of the visa over things like benefit claims until they get indefinite leave).

In terms of practising religion, freedom of expression, freedom of protest etc the same rights apply to someone who is on a two-week holiday from anywhere in the world as it is for someone born here.

Jewishbookworm · 07/11/2024 17:02

Kendodd · 06/11/2024 22:08

Are there different laws specifically for Jewish people? Or is it different laws for Muslims and non Muslims and the laws that apply to Jewish people apply to all non Muslims?
If its the later, I believe quite a few Muslim countries have different laws that apply to Muslim and non Muslim citizens and the two groups can be treated very differently by the police and courts. Not defending this btw.
For what it's worth, in the UK we do also treat citizens and non citizens differently with different rights, I know this isn't comparable to Iran though and every country has such rules. I have heard Israel has some different laws depending on your religion as well.
I'm an atheist, I think religion is bonkers so treating people differently because of it makes no sense to be.

I think all non Muslims have the same laws but I am not an expert.

Iranian Jews are citizens. There have been Jews in Iran for about 3000 or so years.

If you are familiar with the Book of Esther, that happened in Iran.

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