Six Al Jazeera journalists are Hamas/PIJ

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”The IDF says that due to intelligence recovered from the Gaza Strip during military operations, they can reveal that Anas Al-Sharif, Alaa Salama, Hossam Shabat, Ashraf Saraj, Ismail Abu Amr, and Talal Aruki are all affiliated with the military wings of either Hamas or PIJ.” (Palestinian Islamic Jihad)

m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-825877

The thread is literally about Hamas/PIJ being Al Jazeera 'journalists'

23,000 innocent people killed by the IDF. How do you define “indiscriminate”?

@HossamShabat
Israel’s army has released fabricated dossiers framing us, the last remaining journalists in North Gaza reporting on Israel’s extermination and ethnic-cleansing campaign, as “terrorists”.

This blatant and belligerent attempt to transform us, the last witnesses in the north, into killable targets is an assassination threat and obvious attempt to preemptively justify our murder.

We would like to remind everyone that after murdering our colleague Ismail Al Ghoul, Israel released a document that claimed he supposedly received a military ranking on July 1, 2007, when he would have been a 10 year old child.

This public threat was made without any evidence and is part of a systematic propaganda campaign to justify the unjustifiable as Israel continues to target civilians in Gaza, including doctors, aid workers, children and us journalists.

We call on our colleagues and media institutions around the world to show their solidarity with us.

Despite these dangerous and untrue threats made against us, we remain committed to our profession and will continue to report the facts on the ground as the genocide regretfully continues unabated.

x.com/HossamShabat/status/1849162170661052417

I've already answered this exact comment. Anyway it doesn't matter what the charge against Israel is, the excuse is always the same.

Also, some evidence would be nice.

23000 might be a reasonable estimate if you assume every single Palestinian man killed is in Hamas. And that's obviously unlikely, despite it being the criteria Israel use.

This

And yet, the pro-Palestinian crowd expects everyone to believe Hamas's numbers.

Very strange 😐

Why should we not? Which credible organisations outside of Israel are disputing them?

The US are not disputing the figures and they provide most of the weapons.

Personally, I think that whilst some of what the IDF claim is truthfull, I'd take the rest with a pinch of salt.
BUT, even if this were true, so what ? They were "affiliated" with one of three organisations. What was the extent of that affiliation ? For journalists, it would not be unreasonable for them to hold the documents described. And even if they were fully paid up members, as long as they didn't take part in October 7, why not let them carry on doing their job ? Of course their reporting will be skewed, with everything being seen from their perspective. But isn't all journalism ? As well as being slanted, it may also be inaccurate. But when listening or reading about what's going on, we just use our filters.
If true, it does question the integrity of Al Jazheera who employ them, but AJ deny the story that their journalists are involved. It's now up to us to make our choices as to what we believe.
Personally, I'd rather have more information before coming to any sensible conclusion. And to be honest, it's a non-story. There are much worse things going on out there that should be addressed. Such as the simple word Ceasefire.

How about attacking, raping, murdering, and kidnapping Israelis who just happened to live near the Gaza border? The majority of whom were civilians.

I’d call that indiscriminate, what would you call it?

The US does not provide most of the weapons. Look it up.

The thread is about Hamas journalists?

Surely it is about an IDF claim that some Al Jazeera journalists work with Hamas?

A claim that would need to be investigated and fact checked.

But nobody can go in to Gaza to investigate so there is that...

The health ministry has a track record of being pretty accurate with its statistics. The emerging consensus among healthcare and aid organisations is that the numbers are likely to be an underestimate/conservative measurement, as these are deaths confirmed to be as a result of military action, which requires a chain of evidence of death (including someone being alive and sufficiently aware of what has happened to be able to report the death, ability to distinguish bodies - eg if all that's left of a family is effectively bits of meat, it's sometimes hard to work out how many people have actually died there -, etc), doesn't include people who have been captured and died in detention outside of Gaza, doesn't include 'indirect' deaths due to things like prevention of access to essential medications, etc. The actual death toll is likely to be substantially higher.

I'd call it a horrendous terrorist attack.

I'd also say that to commit more atrocities against innocent people while calling it 'justice' for the innocent people murdered, is hugely disrespectful to the memory of those people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68737412

Re: where does Israel get its weapons. Over 65% of arms imports come from the US. The US also has a huge arms depot there containing stockpiled weapons.

That article is talking about sales. Usually when people make the point about US arms they are talking about aid which is what I was referencing. My bad. I have no idea which countries are self sufficient in arms manufacture, not many.

Everybody Palestinian is innocent
Well children are.

Right, so who does? The last I checked it was the US unless you have different information on it?

Exactly this.

I believe the US is >60% and Germany is ~30%

And I sincerely hope that they are actually Hamas combatants, because if they are not, they have had a bullseye drawn on their foreheads. I surmise these 6 men are going to be "eliminated".

It's a death sentence for those men and people around them (because bombs don't tend to just take out one person).

Discussed above. The article posted refers to arms imports but doesn't say what proportion of Israel's military capacity is dependent on imports. Israel has one of the world's larger defence industries to the extent that it also exports arms. Before the war it was reducing its dependency on US aid & imports, as I understand it. Of course the increase in attacks from Hamas, Hezbollah & Iran will have meant more use of the iron dome which is co-funded with the US.

Would they be considered legitimate targets for the IDF now as "they're Hamas"