Six Al Jazeera journalists are Hamas/PIJ

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”The IDF says that due to intelligence recovered from the Gaza Strip during military operations, they can reveal that Anas Al-Sharif, Alaa Salama, Hossam Shabat, Ashraf Saraj, Ismail Abu Amr, and Talal Aruki are all affiliated with the military wings of either Hamas or PIJ.” (Palestinian Islamic Jihad)

m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-825877

Ok. I won't get you started 😊

The first pro-Palestinian marches in the UK happened on October 9th, the largest demonstrations were held in London, with people from across the country in attendance, thousands marched on 15 October 2023, and 100,000 on 21 October.

The IDF response to the attacks did not start until 27 October.

then isn't it understandable Israel wants to restrict foreign journalists going in?

No. Is their starting point all international media could be Hamas? What about independent observers? Why can't they get access?

Too late 😶

The IDF responded the same day, please check your facts before posting outright lies.

That's simply not true. The IDF response to the October 7th attacks started on October 7th.

Slight amendment, Israel began ground operations in Gaza on 13 October, still doesn't explain the march on 9 October.

The bombing started straight away! Surely you would know that? Whose been telling you these lies that there was no retaliation until October 13th?

A 14 day difference between dates is not a 'slight amendment' and still gives an incorrect date for the commencement of the IDF's response to October 7th (which commenced on October 7th).

If you don't want to believe me just do a quick Google search on how many people were already killed through bombing on October 8th 2023 in Gaza!

I was going by memory and hastily looking for references. My bad.

I do recall being appalled when I talked to people about the atrocities of October 7th that many were already blaming Israel, the "IOF", and Netanyahu while the bodies were still lying broken and unburied where they had fallen. The first marches took place before the Israeli response really got going, before the supposed atrocities of the IDF.

Again, not true but I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you really are unaware.

How can you possibly know what conversations I had on October 8th?

The first marches took place before the Israeli response really got going, before the supposed atrocities of the IDF.

This is not true.

That's not what I was referring to.

What about the other tens of thousands of innocent people killed. What's the ratio, 1 bad person killed for every 2,000 killed children. Probably more.

We will believe the statistics when journalists can report from Gaza. Just like they do in Israel.

They can't believe it because in their virtuous haze, everybody Palestinian is innocent

Including those who kept abducted Israelis prisoner, those who waddled and hobbled over the fence to loot houses and those who spat and jeered on the broken bodies of innocent Israelis

If you want me to believe Hamas's figure of 41,000 killed, you have to accept the IDF account that of those, 17,000-18,000 were combatants, so roughly 1:1 civilians to combatants, which sounds awful, but is actually very low compared to other conflicts. The ratio for WWII is somewhere between 2:1 to 3:1.

So by this reckoning 23,000 innocent people have been killed

They can't believe it because in their virtuous haze, everybody Palestinian is innocent.

What virtuous haze are you under that you uncritically believe unsubstantiated reports by the IDF?

Which is awful, but it's not the indiscriminate killing people are attributing to the IDF.

It is indiscriminate I have no idea how you can claim otherwise.

The definition of 'combatant' can be as vague as 'Palestinian male who may have gone through puberty'...

I mean the IDF did also shoot their own hostages, it was discussed at the time that too many young recruits who are not trained properly shoot first and ask questions later. It's much easier for them to pass off ordinary Palestinians as Hamas.

Look I support release of the hostages. I think it's barbaric to make innocent Israeli hostages suffer, and their families too. I think all suffering on both sides should cease immediately.

But seriously how can you say, by your own calculations, that killing 23,000 innocent Palestinian people is acceptable in response.

A genocide is being live steamed to the world. And it is very one sided. There are no international journalists reporting from Gaza as they are from Israel. Why?