Ever look at how many suicide attacks the Palestinians committed before the Gaza blockade?

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Gaza was blocked by Israel in 2007 due to increasing suicide attacks committed by Gazan Palestinians in Israel. Take a look at how many there were! No wonder Israel created a blockade.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

I was thinking about this earlier, either people have very short memories or they genuinely don’t know or care!

It's an inconvenient truth

They don't care because it doesn't suit the narrative of Palestinians = good, Israeli = bad

From Human Rights Watch

‘Israeli authorities do face legitimate security challenges in Israel and the OPT. However, restrictions that do not seek to balance human rights such as freedom of movement against legitimate security concerns by, for example, conducting individualized security assessments rather than barring the entire population of Gaza from leaving with only rare exceptions, go far beyond what international law permits. Even where security forms part of the motivation behind a particular policy, that does not give Israel a carte blanche to violate human rights en masse. Legitimate security concerns can be present among policies that amount to apartheid, just as they can be present in a policy that sanctions the use of excessive force or torture.’

https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

Also, from the same source…

‘Several widely held assumptions, including that the occupation is temporary, that the “peace process” will soon bring an end to Israeli abuses, that Palestinians have meaningful control over their lives in the West Bank and Gaza, and that Israel is an egalitarian democracy inside its borders, have obscured the reality of Israel’s entrenched discriminatory rule over Palestinians. Israel has maintained military rule over some portion of the Palestinian population for all but six months of its 73-year history. It did so over the vast majority of Palestinians inside Israel from 1948 and until 1966. From 1967 until the present, it has militarily ruled over Palestinians in the OPT, excluding East Jerusalem. By contrast, it has since its founding governed all Jewish Israelis, including settlers in the OPT since the beginning of the occupation in 1967, under its more rights-respecting civil law.’

There was an agreement on movement which would have liberalised movement but then Hamas won the election in Gaza and it was abandoned

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_on_Movement_and_Access#:~:text=AMA%20was%20described%20as%3A%20%E2%80%B3an,the%20Agreed%20Principles%20for%20Rafah

What's that got to do with palestinian suicide bombers?

And your point is?

I hear people shout about Gaza having been an open air prison and how the Palestinians need refuge and blame Israel but they don't comment about the wall stopping them getting to Egypt or the reluctance of surrounding Islamic countries that won't give them refuge

Why should they have to leave Gaza?

Israel won't allow them open access = bad & restrictive
Egypt won't allow them open access = no problem

Got it.

Trying to change the course of the thread 🙄

Oh yes. The old "open air prison" argument

I think it's more Hamas=bad and Israeli government/IDF= bad.

Maybe you need to understand the numerous reasons why Egypt does not allow an open access (btw the crossing between Egypt and Gaza is now under Israeli control).
Why Egypt and other Arab countries are unwilling to take in Palestinian refugees from Gaza | AP News

You mean the one used by Holocaust survivors, like Mate Gabor?

Gabor Maté is the first to admit that he’s an inveterate people pleaser

Israel won't allow them open access = bad & restrictive
Egypt won't allow them open access = no problem

No I don't Got it. You're describing two different things. One is a border from Gaza into Egypt the other is an illegal occupation of Gaza. I am not aware of Palestinians wanting to leave Gaza and cross the border into Israel. They are looking for self determination in Gaza.

Does that mean he is wrong in his statement? I don't understand the correlation between being a people pleaser and his views on Gaza. Care to explain?

That's really interesting OP and gives an insight into a proportion of the Gazan population. You only get suicide bombings with extremely committed ideology in this case one probably supported by religion as well as tribal grievance. In fact those who perpetrated October 7th were suicide combatants as there was no way many were getting back to Gaza alive.

We are rarely given this perspective on the media as it muddied the water in terms of the victim status of the Palestinian people. As people say Palestine = good Israel = bad simples.

We have to ask the question how many Palestinian men are groomed for martyrdom and will this inevitably continue? When we see images for. Gaza we don't see young men actively joining Hamas as this is obviously occuring nor do we see the vociferous hate for Israel.

@Dulra

"I am not aware of Palestinians wanting to leave Gaza and cross the border into Israel. They are looking for self determination in Gaza."

Prior to Hamas coming to power, Israel had issued 120k work permits for Gazans to work in Israel.

Even after Hamas this was at 20k Gazans at its peak. After the terror attacks of 7th October Israel cancelled all work permits on security grounds.

So yes there were Gazans wanting to leave Gaza and cross into Israel and it was hardly a prison that allowed Gazans to cross the border for work.

Or are you going to argue that this is some form of prison work release or work experience scheme to enable the "imprisoned Gazans" to better integrate into society? Or maybe argue that it was a form of "slave labour " despite being voluntary and paying significantly higher salaries than in Gaza.

Basically "open air prison " is trotted out as yet another bollocks buzzword bingo to sit alongside genocide, fascism, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, carpet bombing etc etc.

That is not what the post was discussing, why take my quote out of context?

It was responding to the following suggestion:
Israel won't allow them open access = bad & restrictive
Egypt won't allow them open access = no problem

I was pointing out that they are two different things so not comparable. One is a border from Gaza into Egypt the other is an illegal occupation of Gaza.

I am aware that Palestinians have work permits to cross the border and work in Israel. Unfortunately Israel use that as a form of controlling/ punishing them too.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/27/israel-palestinian-workers-pay

HRW has long been the laughing stock of the international community for their reports. Years.

One of the reports they wrote on Iraq said that Yezidi women had grossly exaggerated the crimes committed against them. They pulled it after an outcry in early 2019

My guess is that Israel’s relentless actions will lead more into martyrdom. I hope I am wrong.

Are you pretending to not understand?

It’s about the response to terror acts being proportionate.