Hamas Is Shooting Gaza Civilians

[OrangeBlossomBlue]

No surprise

www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-shooting-gazan-civilians-who-try-to-evacuate-jabaliya-idf-paramedic-says/

Not only are they not afraid of us, a lot of them are on our side,” she added.

Sure 👍

You think there are no Palestinians who wish to be free from Hamas?

Where did I say that?

My mistake. It seemed like you were jeering at the article I linked, as if being Palestinian is somehow so synonymous with being a radicalised terrorist that nobody could thank the IDF for freeing them from Hamas.

What an utterly bizarre post.

I was pointing out how unlikely parts of what she says are. That should be obvious to anyone reading it.

Par for the course, they have no concern for the lives of Palestinians, only hatred for Israel.

This is why a ceasefire is the only answer, the #1 demographic suffering are Gazan civilians. When you have armed men running around like it’s som kind of video game shooting, blowing things up, bulldozing it’s the civilians trapped there that die in the thousands.

I do feel for the Palestinians that don't support Hamas but there is a significant proportion that do hence they remain in control. Hamas want to promote the suffering of the people to gain the world's attention. The death of civilian pawns is highlighted in the western media meaning pressure is applied to define the Israeli military.....all to Hamas' advantage.

You have just written the justification for the slaughter of Palestinian civilians with your but there is a significant proportion that do

Hamas want to promote the suffering of the people to gain the world's attention. This is such utter codswallop - the world's attention is already on Gaza because of what Israel is inflicting on the civilians there, and now Lebanon.

The death of civilian pawns. What nasty, dehumanising language. Again, facilitating the slaughter of innocents that you try to taint with your hints of complicity.

From a nation that should know better,

All of this is morally bankrupt.

From a nation that should know better

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There is a mind blowing amount of cake being had and eaten in this post, in which you seem to have missed every point. But tell us about the nation that should know better.

But tell us about the nation that should know better.

I take it to mean a democratic nation that stands by the values of respect for human rights, equality, fairness, and freedom. Not the slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians. Calling yourself a democratic nation is a lot more than just your electoral system

There is a significant proportion that do - hence Hamas remain in control.

No government or governing organisation has unequivocal support or complete opposition from its people. the above is a statement of fact. There are of course other reasons Hamas remains in control.

Hamas want to promote the suffering of the people to gain the world’s attention

What measures is Hamas taking to alleviate the suffering of civilians in Gaza? Indeed, what measures has it ever taken to do so? Their suffering is feeding an extremely powerful propaganda campaign and it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that they prefer to play the propaganda game than to alleviate suffering.

The death of civilian pawns

This obviously refers to the Hamas view of civilians in Gaza.

’A nation that should know better’ 🤔

The Palestinian civilian population are in an impossible situation. I have a Gaza former colleague who texted me after his seventh displacement saying “our lives are controlled by mad people”. Hamas are undoubtedly evil and care nothing for civilians but that doesn’t mean they can and will be driven into the arms of Israel after a year of relentless brutality on top of decades of injustice, particularly when there is no plan for “the day after”. Whether or not you believe the far right plans to resettle Gaza are feasible, in the light of no official plans it will factor into Palestinian civilians’ thinking. And there is no third option. There is no opposition party and the country and all it’s structures are destroyed- how is supposed to signal a wish to disengage from Hamas and what are their alternatives?

@gloriagloria I'm so sorry that your colleague is going through this. I'll make dua for him. It's so hard, having people we care about trapped there while others ignore, support or even take enjoyment from what is being done to them.

Any democratic country should know better.

Thank you @Scirocco - that is very kind. What he and his family have been through and seen is unimaginable, particularly as he is a health care worker.

Its a tragic situation and the regional governments need to step up and facilitate plausible alternatives to Hamas.

Yes . I agree with this. Palestinians may hate and despise Hamas for what they have done to Gaza but they need an alternative and something to offer them hope for the future and at the moment they have nothing.

Agree but that cannot realistically happen until there is a ceasefire which both Israel and Hamas need to agree to, but we seem further away from that than ever. Gaza is on survival mode

Another thread where the Israeli government is absolved of any responsibility for their actions in Gaza.
It really beggars belief.
I expect nothing but acts of savagery from Hamas. Terrorists create terror by definition . The clue is in the name, after all.
What I didn't expect is the only democracy in the ME employing tactics which demonstrate a desire to kill as many civilians as possible, in every possible way.
Starving an entire population does not discriminate between Hamas and civilians. Withdrawing medicines, destroying water supplies and the list goes on are acts designed to kill/ murder whoever lives in Gaza.
The Israeli government views every single Palestinian as Hamas.
The former and latter are beyond contempt.

I don’t think the Israeli government should be absolved- they must be held accountable for what they have done .
I think this thread is just demonstrating what an impossible position the Palestinians are in. They have nowhere to go, no one to turn to and nothing to hope for.

Indeed but I think you are being generous in the reasons why this thread exists.

An electoral system that denies the right to vote to a large % of its population on the basis of ethnicity, sex, or status is technically a democracy.

The issue is that a “democracy” isn’t the massive light of progress and equality for all that certain writers imbue it with.

Posted in the wrong thread.