Was Egyptian Rafah destroyed by Egypt on purpose?

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Is this true?

https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1810809599337058344

Why? 2014 - 2020 destroyed to separate from Gaza.

Did Egypt then build a wall? Why?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34317654

Egypt don't want Hammas causing trouble on their territory.

Egypt has a problem with terrorists in the Sinai, they probably wanted to make sure they didn’t have to deal with some at Rafah as well given they have a treaty with Israel.

Whilst sympathy is high for Gazans in neighbouring countries some of them have had repeated problems with Palestinian militants operating from or against their countries. Two attempts on the King of Jordans life comes to mind too. I imagine the leadership in neighbouring countries have to walk a very fine line to keep as much stability as possible.

No one mentions this wall on Egypt’s border with Gaza when they scream about Gaza being an ‘open air prison’ because of the blockade on the Israeli borders. I wonder why?

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-egypt-negotiate-over-key-corridor-along-gaza-border-b6b310c8

I suppose it is true - and it makes sense.
When you look at the map, Egypt is in the middle of shit.

They have long border with Libya, which had been in an open war since 2014 , including ISIS powers, and even in the ceasefire years part of the fighting continues
They have long border with Sudan which was unstable for a long time and now is in the open war which doubles as a civil war and proxy war with numerically more devastating conflict than Gaza could ever be.

They just don't have a capacity to worry about Gaza as well, and it is the shortest and most closable of those three borders.

Why would they make attempts on King of Jordan? What would that achieve?

Why fall out with Egypt? Isn't their beef with Israel?

@ZiriForGood why are so many middle eastern always at war with each other?

It wouldn't be a prison if that wall wasn't there on the Egypt side.

So Egypt Wall is to protect Egypt and Israel to protect Israel. Must be Israels fault then

This explains what happened with Jordan. The Palestinians basically wanted to overthrow the government and rule it themselves.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

It's a border all countries have them. The issue with the open air prison is more to do with Palestine being an occupied territory. Isreal controls it's goods in and goods out, electricity, waters. Palestine is not a recognised state so it's residents don't have passports. Far more complicated than a border between two nations which is what the Egyptian side is.

And thus israels treatment of Palestine is justified! The occupation, the starvation, the murder. Its because Palestinians are just natural trouble makers see? Ffs

Interesting question.

The other Egyptian borders are north Africa, not middle East, but in no specific order:
Natural resources (like water)
Unnatural post colonial borders of countries
Radical islamist groups
Dictatorships
Foreign interests and proxy wars (Russia selling mercenary services for diamond mining shares, China building it's power base)

And probably much more...

Protesting existence of Israel is a very local hobby, but it seemed some regional players were willing to put that one aside and normalise the relationships in the area, but the Hamas attack so helpfully put that initiative on a back burner.

Oh this was ages ago. It was after Jordan took over the west bank in the 1950’s. The Jordanians were fighting the PLO.

I really do feel for Palestinians, caught between a rock and a hard place. The history of the region is a bit more complex than Israel vs everyone else.

God no not at all. But neighbouring countries must be able to stabilise their own territory as well. It’s unfortunate but the history hasn’t been great, militants often come with refugee populations, it’s hard to differentiate.

As PP pointed out Egypt has a lot on it’s plate, their actions are not that surprising.

Reality Is Israel is probably one of the most stable countries in the region without having to use force and secret police on its own population. The rest of them constantly have to worry about militants, religious nutcases (obviously Israel has it’s own) or coups etc. if theres a change of government in Israel you can probably see it coming from the polling, not because someones been assassinated.

I believe they supply Jordan with water and there was a big fuss when the UAE normalised relations around agriculture, the emirates were very interested in that specifically. There are definitely benefits to normalisation for surrounding countries. Doesn’t mean that they like each other but they can trade.

I really hope one day the Palestinians can have their own state and people can genuinely flourish in safety and freedom across the region. It just feels like it’s very far away.

Yes, Israel has significant financial/technological/educational/stability advantage.

In some sense Israel lost the real war on the 7th October, when they weren't able to prevent the Hamas attack. Once the hostages were taken Israel had to react and the regional relationship normalisation was stopped.

Hamas was just a bunch of useful idiots in this game

What a mess the middle east is. So many terrorist organisations vying for their version of some twisted ideology.

I suppose if Palestinian used all the billions in aid they could have a lovely prosperous society too?

Evil men and their vile ideology. Seems like they aren't going anywhere soon. War ends and hamas continues?

Egypt has the second highest national debt in the world (after Ukraine).

If they ended up with a bunch of refugees there what would happen? How would they afford to feed them?

They already have high unemployment levels - refugees also competing for those jobs would make the country politically unstable. Even more so than it already is?

As well as the potential for housing terrorists.

We understand that there is concerns about immigration and refugees within the UK. Why wouldnt there be similar concerns in Egypt?

Wow. This is the Olympic level of jumping to conclusions and simplifications.

Half of the Gazan population was born after the last elections were held. So they are hardly personally responsible for the situation the were born into.

There was a time in past, where some Israel officials supported Hamas to create political divide in Palestine.

In the same time Israel definitely isn't the only one responsible for situation in Gaza, many powers in the region (islamic, anti Israel) prefer unstable Gaza and troubled people as a leverage against Israel over improving the situation of the people there, so they support Hamas and the military tendencies.

You misunderstood.

I don't think children or people born after the adults elected Hamas are responsible for not investing and instead concentrating on eliminating Israel. They are not responsible for poor decisions.

If we say we are concerned about housing refugees from the middle east we are racist. It's OK for Egypt to have those concerns then. They are next door after all. Poland took millions from Eukraine with few worries being the neighbour.

Lots of people in Europe would be concerned on grounds of terrorism (not race) and be labelled something or another, and comments of along lines of 'do you think all Palestinians are terrorists' and scorn poured. Would Egyptians who worry for the same reasons be labelled the same? Is it acceptable for them to say no thanks and build a wall to prevent them crossing. Interesting how things are viewed.

According to the WSJ link Egypt built the wall at Israel’s behest.

Israel Presses Egypt to Better Secure Borderland Against Hamas Smugglers

According to the article it says Israel presses Egypt to BETTER SECURE borderland exactly as you posted in bold

Where does it say the wall was built at Israel’s behest?

The WSJ article is from this year. The wall was built in 2009.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Gaza_barrier#:~:text=The%20Egypt%E2%80%93Gaza%20barrier%20is,the%20Gaza%20Strip%20and%20Egypt.