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Conflict in the Middle East

Was Egyptian Rafah destroyed by Egypt on purpose?

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Kriscross · 11/07/2024 08:55

Is this true?

https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1810809599337058344

Why? 2014 - 2020 destroyed to separate from Gaza.

x.com

https://x.com/Saul_Sadka/status/1810809599337058344

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Chickenuggetsticks · 11/07/2024 21:18

Tbf the reason that Egypt is rightly more worried is that it’s country can be used to plan and launch attacks on a neighbour. Which is basically what happened in Lebanon when the PLO started attacking Israel and Lebanese Christian militias, which prompted the invasion of south lebanon by Israel.

I mean if you are Egyptian and have any sense of history you don’t want to have that do you. Yes they can’t bear the cost of refugees but I doubt thats the main reason. Again this is no civilians fault but the risk of militants or recent recruits that you don’t have info on (child soldiers are not uncommon) using your territory is very high.

It’s a giant fucking mess really.

ScrollingLeaves · 11/07/2024 21:24

UnashamedSlattern · 11/07/2024 21:02

According to the article it says Israel presses Egypt to BETTER SECURE borderland exactly as you posted in bold

Where does it say the wall was built at Israel’s behest?

The WSJ article is from this year. The wall was built in 2009.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Gaza_barrier#:~:text=The%20Egypt%E2%80%93Gaza%20barrier%20is,the%20Gaza%20Strip%20and%20Egypt.

It says Israel presses which is a word with certain connotations.

It is at the heart of the word pressure as in Netanyahu saying they are putting pressure on Hamas.

UnashamedSlattern · 11/07/2024 21:34

ScrollingLeaves · 11/07/2024 21:24

It says Israel presses which is a word with certain connotations.

It is at the heart of the word pressure as in Netanyahu saying they are putting pressure on Hamas.

You said this in a previous post

According to the WSJ link Egypt built the wall at Israel’s behest.

That was not true. Rather than admit that, you are now trying to make a point about something completely irrelevant to what you initially said.

ScrollingLeaves · 11/07/2024 21:37

ScrollingLeaves · 11/07/2024 21:24

It says Israel presses which is a word with certain connotations.

It is at the heart of the word pressure as in Netanyahu saying they are putting pressure on Hamas.

I take that last paragraph back, as it is too exaggerated- sorry.

It was pressure but not of the kind that now sees Gaza being bombed etc. I think Israel and Washington wanted it, but it suited Egypt too.

ScrollingLeaves · 11/07/2024 21:54

UnashamedSlattern · 11/07/2024 21:34

You said this in a previous post

According to the WSJ link Egypt built the wall at Israel’s behest.

That was not true. Rather than admit that, you are now trying to make a point about something completely irrelevant to what you initially said.

I am not trying to not admit anything.

You had posted about Egypt building the wall and included the link to the WSJ where the headline was
Israel Presses Egypt to Better Secure Borderland Against Hamas Smugglers

I took the wall at the border to be what Egypt had been “pressed” into building by Israel, in order to make the border more secure.

Because of the nuance of the words ‘Israel presses’ Egypt to better secure borderland ( rather than Israel requests, asks, begs), I suggested that. Egypt built the wall to do this at Israel’s ‘behest’ ( rather than Israel’s request or suggestion).

If this is a misinterpretation then explain why.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2024 21:56

Kriscross · 11/07/2024 18:31

If we say we are concerned about housing refugees from the middle east we are racist. It's OK for Egypt to have those concerns then. They are next door after all. Poland took millions from Eukraine with few worries being the neighbour.

Lots of people in Europe would be concerned on grounds of terrorism (not race) and be labelled something or another, and comments of along lines of 'do you think all Palestinians are terrorists' and scorn poured. Would Egyptians who worry for the same reasons be labelled the same? Is it acceptable for them to say no thanks and build a wall to prevent them crossing. Interesting how things are viewed.

Why do you assume that I'm saying that there isn't a racism problem in Egypt?

Racism exists throughout the world.

Kriscross · 11/07/2024 21:58

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2024 21:56

Why do you assume that I'm saying that there isn't a racism problem in Egypt?

Racism exists throughout the world.

Are you saying that Egyptians are racist towards Palestinians? Might they not be just concerned about terrorists as many countries are?

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Kriscross · 12/07/2024 09:37

I do find it interesting that surrounding countries don't help with Palestinian refugees. It's not children's fault that parents made poor choices and that Hamas are interlinked in high numbers throughout Gaza and run the show there. Maybe the narrative destroy Jews overrules so much that other countries see them as a risk too far. Other countries were building better relationships with Israel before the Hamas led attacks on October 7th.
It's such a mess.

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