Hamas leader believes civilian deaths are ‘necessary sacrifices’ in Israeli war, leaked letters show

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From the article
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/11/hamas-leader-leaked-civilian-deaths-necessary-israel-sinwar/

Correspondence between Yahya Sinwar, the terror group’s military leader, and officials tasked with brokering a ceasefire with Qatari and Egyptian officials indicate he is more interested in securing his own future than peace.

“We have the Israelis right where we want them,” Sinwar said in one of dozens of messages to ceasefire negotiators obtained by The Wall Street Journal.
The messages display a calculated disregard for human life and a belief on the part of Sinwar that Israel has more to lose from the eight-month war than Hamas.

In one message to Hamas leaders in Doha, he cites civilian losses in national-liberation conflicts in places such as Algeria, where hundreds of thousands of people died fighting for independence from France, saying, “these are necessary sacrifices”.

In a separate letter, sent on April 11 to Ismail Haniyeh, a Hamas political leader, whose three sons were killed in an Israeli air strike, Sinwar claimed their deaths and those of other Palestinians would “infuse life into the veins of this nation, prompting it to rise to its glory and honour”.

Finally something Hamas and Israel agree on.

That sinwar is a murderous psycho - no argument here.

I’m curious. Are these translated documents/letters or written in English and if they are translated who does that? I often wonder if we are hearing the true intent (from BOTH sides) when I read articles like this.

The concept of “necessary” deaths is horrendous.

Doesn't surprise me at all sadly. I always thought Hamas are probably absolutely thrilled at the deaths of Palestinian civilians... really helps their marketing campaign. It's sick.

If they weren't in English presumably it was the WSJ who translated them. Why, do you think they might be lying?

I don’t particularly think they might be lying in this particular instance but language is so emotive I wondered who did the translating and what oversight there was. “Necessary civilian deaths” reminds me of the revolting “collateral damage” used so often in the conflict in Iraq by the Americans.

Yes, he is a monster and I hope the ICC warrant is realised sooner rather than later.

NO civilian deaths are justified.

I think the problem is that Yahya Sinwar and his partner Mohammed Dheif didn't think or have any kind of plan on how to protect Palestinian civilians from what everyone knew was coming from the Israeli side. Sure, they were successful in derailing the peace process between Israel and Saudi Arabia, and they put the Palestine question back on the international agenda. They've been able to show the world how vulnerable Israel actually is. Their "iron dome" isn't invincible. But they have also shown us that Hamas are not only brutal and ruthless, but also lacking in strategy when it comes to civilians.

Yeah not surprising, some hamas twat suggested that Palestinians are the responsibility of UNWRA and Israel not Hamas, and that’s why they don’t invite them into the tunnels or bunkers, they are solely for Hamas. They could have housed women and children in those bunkers and tunnels, but nope.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg4VqiW0dyo&pp=ygUWbWVtcmkgdHYgaGFtYXMgdHVubmVscw%3D%3D

The strategy is for Palestinians to die to secure a propaganda “victory”

I mean one of them said it on live tv when asked why the Palestinians couldn’t use the tunnels for shelter. He was honest and said they were only for Hamas soldiers and the Palestinians should be willing to sacrifice themselves 🤯

How can you reason with people like this?

Had a huge fall out with my friend over it as she sees them as freedom fighters. Freedom fighters who don’t give a shit what they got their own people in to.

In fairness, if they allowed Palestinian civilians to shelter in the tunnels, the Israeli government would justify killing them all as 'terrorists', because they were in tunnels.

The Palestinian civilians cannot win either way 😳

Don't you see the irony though. If they weren't extremists BEFORE being taken as prisoner as a child, beaten and held indefinitely... they may well be afterwards.

Bit weird that Israel are facilitating that? Why would Israel want to help Hamas?

More grave violations against children were committed in Gaza, the West Bank and Israel than anywhere else in the world last year, according to a UN report due to be published this week.

In all, 5,698 violations were attributed to Israeli armed and security forces, and 116 to Hamas’s armed wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades. Israeli settlers were judged responsible in 51 cases, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad’s al-Quds Brigades was involved in 21.

If what you are saying is true that surely makes Israel the biggest ally of Hamas?

People who consider death necessary to further their agendas should consider starting with their own. Like the people who engage in murder-suicide but tend to mess up the suicide bit.

Sinwar and others knew the likely response to their plans. They didn't give a shit about the innocent people who would die. We need to do better and actually care about innocent people. We cannot let them set the standard for valuing human lives.

The fact that they attacked Israeli civilians like they did is actually the proof that they don´t give a damn about Palestinian civilians. With the current Israeli politicians in power, what was going to happen after would have been quite easy to guess for people who are clued up as to the situation. The Iranians don´t give a damn either. You´d think they´d be sympathetic to fellow muslims awful sufferings. They´re not. Absolute psychos.

By "we", do you mean the Israelis in this mission?

Given that I wasn't an Israeli in any mission, of course that's not what "we" means.

By "we" I mean all of us. People. Humanity. We have to be better than him. Than this.

That was really clear to me @Scirocco

And I agree, we absolutely CAN do better than this.

It's probably why we judge the Israeli government harsher, because we expect a higher level from a democratic country with strong trade links, and every other kind of link. It's shocking to see a government of a country that we think of so highly behave in such a way.

We expect better!

Yes it was clear to me too - just not in the same way you think.

Contextually - a thread about the what this Hamas leader said - what else could it mean?

Ambiguous vagueness can be very clear.

Behave in such a way?

Sacrifice one of their soldiers to save hostages from a regime that uses its civilians to shield them?

Very noble, actually. Israel and the IDF care deeply for their own civilians in contrast to the administration who started this current conflict.

So, in a thread about a horrible man having no regard for human life, an agreement that he's horrible and an expression that humanity needs to do better is somehow... a bad thing?

Or maybe it's just a bad thing if I say it.