Could Pro-Palestinian protestors protest in a more effective way

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I fully support the right to protest and free speech but I read this article just now and made me wonder if the message could be put across in a more effective way rather than violence making the headlines.

How could the protestors garner more sympathy to their cause as clearly we need a change in operations in Gaza to bring about the end of Hamas whilst protecting civilian life? These sort of headlines and a minority of anti-Semitic attendees on marches are shrouding the message.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13424725/Pro-Palestinian-activist-bites-police-officer-arm-four-arrested-demo-shuts-military-factory-Glasgow.html

I have no sympathy with the protestors as its costing us the taxpayers million and stopping people from enjoying their time with their families where the protests happen on the weekends

Police are injured and thousands of police officers who should be keeping us safe are not able to because of these ongoing protests

IMO - The protests and mass protests should happen in UAE, Sadia Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, Libya etc etc as they should be doing more to supply aid and had a safe area in Egypt next to the border of Gaza on the basis once Hams is eradicated and hostages released and Israeli pm sacked, the ordinary, suffering people of gaza can go home in peace and be assured the billions given to them this time by the west and Sadia Arbia etc is used to make Gaza great and not be wanted on making tunnels and lining the pockets of the Hamas friends and family's, some of who are enjoying 7 star hotels

NB = made error is post and missed important bit but too late to edit

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · Today 13:13
I have no sympathy with the protestors as its costing us the taxpayers millions and stopping people from enjoying their time with their families where the protests happen on the weekends. Initially, I was for the protests but they have gone on for too long and people should now protests in UAE/etcetc

Police are injured and thousands of police officers who should be keeping us safe are not able to because of these ongoing protests

IMO - The protests and mass protests should happen in UAE, Sadia Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, Libya etc etc as they should be doing more to supply aid and had a safe area in Egypt next to the border of Gaza on the basis once Hams is eradicated and hostages released and Israeli pm sacked, the ordinary, suffering people of gaza can go home in peace and be assured the billions given to them this time by the west and Sadia Arbia etc is used to make Gaza great and not be wanted on making tunnels and lining the pockets of the Hamas friends and family's, some of who are enjoying 7 star hotels

Would you like to make any suggestions of how that could be done? Perhaps you could share how you are choosing to use your voice to speak out?

It’s a good question, but perhaps your view of the marches depends on what newspaper you read. It’s hard to believe that DM would ever report positively on them. Even if everyone there smelled of roses, I think they would come up with something.

Why are they not marching is UAE, Saudia Arabia, Libya, Iran,, Egypt etc and do so like they are in England??

Do they march in Russia and China like they do in England and if not why not??

Might be effective if they marched for the return of hostages and elimination of Hamas terrorists.

There have been plenty of protests and plenty of arrests. The UK is a liberal democracy whilst most regimes in the middle east are more authoritarian.

Hopefully you're not proposing that the UK become more like those countries.

Yes, it needs more than waving a flag on your day off work or boycotting Eurovision. The thing is, the people selling arms to Israel won’t give a flying fart that a load of 19yo students are sleeping in a tent somewhere. They need a proper strategy.
People need to find out

1. how can they make a tangible impact - for example cutting of resources that do harm (and yes stopping arms dealers are a good start)
2. What needs to be done to maximise that impact - ie how can they stop the arms dealers in a way that dealers will actually care about
3. Who can help them? Who has the power and how can they be lobbied?
4. How can they hit where it hurts (figuratively speaking)

It may not get as much social media clout as the flag waving but the time spent poured into an actual strategy is surely more worthwhile.

I mean one could argue this is the responsibility of governments because they have the power to execute so perhaps campaigners can devolve their collective power to push the government to do all of the above.

This applies for any sort of campaign

Or they could look at the alternative and push Hamas to surrender. Win win

They like having an excuse to air their Jew-hate.

Several news I can find

Egypt
https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/132231/Egyptians-protesting-in-support-of-Palestinians

libya
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231018-protests-in-libya-over-gaza-hospital-strike

iran
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/11/18/rallies-held-across-iran-to-support-war-battered-gaza

https://x.com/alonleegreen/status/1790804497838592465?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog I was just wondering wondering what you think to these Israeli Settler protestors?

Please stop being deliberately obtuse

Evidence of large-scale, weekly, protests in UAE, Russia, Saudia Arabia, China etc, please

The police time wasted and the number of people put off from going to the town centre is not helping local business or families that want to enjoy their weekends

An example of a handful of people protesting once or twice is nothing like what the people of England are having to endure weekly and wasted police time and at times injured police officers.

The police could be dealing with crime rather than being told to marshall the weekly marches where thousands of officers are having to marshall.

The countries you’re mentioning. Do you have a right to protest like in this country? Or is it forbidden and you might likely end up in prison.

im from Spain. The protests are quite common in Spain as well. There have been several in France and Germany. I was in lapland over winter and whilst walking past I saw a protest in favour of Palestine.

It’s strange you mention countries whose governments are so different to the British but lack to mention those countries whose governments are more similar to the British.

Where there is a will there is a way!!

Why is Egypt not allowing the people of gaza temp shelter and has its borders closed?

What is the point of weekly protests in England just because our country is more liberal, the ordinary people of England suffer as well as taxpayers as police if taken off their real job and it costs tens of millions

Just because England is a democratic country unlike the one you allude to

They should protest night and day outside their embassies and not stop the hard working people/taxpayers of England from enjoying their weekends with their familys

Regarding Egypt it’s a derail from this thread and I believe that answer has been answered to you already

regarding uk. I’d rather my taxes are spent on this rather than on many of the things we spend the money on. Protests are a right In this country. Some I’ll agree with them some others I won’t.

Where was it "answered" - who else other than me posted the fundamental facts /reason why Egypt and the other wont accept people from Gaza - you know the reason it they are all worried re the partial problems caused by the Hamas lot and those that follow them will mingle with the ordinary people of Gaza who has suffered at the hands of Hams since Israel withdrew and that is fact.

The same applies to UAE/Saudia arbia etc etc. No ifs, not buts but just a fact of life.

Hamas wasted billions on their own ambitions by building tunnels, enjoying the good life for self and family and their leaders in top-flight hotels whilst the ordinary people of gaza could not get a job.

Like most countries, Gaza is no different EG, the ordinary people suffer because of the political aims of the minority, ie Hamas and their cronies in Gaza

HTH

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-13470707/Violent-Pro-Palestine-mobs-clash-police-outside-Downing-Street.html

https://www.972mag.com/uk-antisemitism-british-jews-london/

Superb article from Israeli based news site, 972 magazine.

I would have been much happier about the protests if they had condemned Hamas as well as Netanyahu. I think they lost the moral high ground by the failure to point to Hamas’s role in the suffering of Palestinians. All the Palestinian supporters in here agree that Hamas have been terrible for the Palestinians and have contributed hugely to their suffering but no one says this on the marches.

As a French citizen, I find it hilarious that some posters believe that protesting achieves nothing. I better tell my compatriots to stop protesting immediately. I don't hold my breath though.
To the posters who are saying it is really spoiling their weekend, that is the point of a protest. Causing inconvenience to many helps to put pressure on the government to act.
Finally, you shouldn't forget that the rights you enjoy now have been gained through protests. Would you like to give them up?

When police officers get injured, people avoid the area for fear, others avoid for inconvenience, people stop listening.

It's a shame but the protesters have themselves to blame for this.

In Ireland too, protest has also been an amazingly effective tool. I am somewhat fearful of protests in Britain... because I fear they will be infiltrated by tommy robinson and his friends... and also because I fear it is only a matter of time before the police really come in strong and injure or kill people. The act of protest itself is in danger in Britain and I think people need to be very careful. If you shut down protests, there may come a day when you need people to protest for you and they won't be able/allowed.

I agree, the protesting I support but assaulting the police only damages their own cause and makes it easy to dismiss them write them all off as thugs and public nuisances.