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Conflict in the Middle East

Israeli hostage describes graphic sexual assault

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MsAmerica · 05/04/2024 02:57

Israeli hostage describes graphic sexual assault, beatings, torture in Gaza
By Patrick Kingsley and Ronen Bergman

Soussana described to The Times being detained at roughly half a dozen sites, including private homes, an office and a subterranean tunnel. But, her first stop was a luxury private home where she was watched by a guard who called himself Muhammad.

The Israeli lawyer said he repeatedly started asking her about her sex life and when her period was due while she was held alone in a child’s bedroom and chained by her left ankle. She said he would sometimes sit beside her on the bed, lift her shirt and touch her.

Then, on the morning of October 24, Muhammad unchained her from the bed and led her to the bathroom, where she undressed and began washing herself in the bathtub. Before she was finished, he returned and stood in the doorway, holding a pistol.

https://dnyuz.com/2024/03/27/israeli-hostage-describes-graphic-sexual-assault-beatings-torture-in-gaza/

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StormyAprilSkies · 16/04/2024 09:23

StormyAprilSkies · 16/04/2024 07:58

"But this is totally acceptable because a handful of people got raped at the hands of Hamas...."

What a disgusting thing to say. I'm not surprised its said on here though going by the hatred of Jewish people that rape of Jewish women might be described thus on mn.

Thank you to the people who have liked my comment. I find myself feeling disgust and the need like lots of other mn's to leave these threads and hide them. That particular disgusting comment made me realise that you cannot chat with that type of view.

I hope peace comes to the region. A ceasefire and negotiations so people can live in peace.

ChooseTheTree · 16/04/2024 13:13

StormyAprilSkies · 16/04/2024 09:23

Thank you to the people who have liked my comment. I find myself feeling disgust and the need like lots of other mn's to leave these threads and hide them. That particular disgusting comment made me realise that you cannot chat with that type of view.

I hope peace comes to the region. A ceasefire and negotiations so people can live in peace.

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Some of the posts on here are shockingly overt in their hatred, but the thing I find harder to swallow is that many of the well known posters don't challenge or condemn the post, rather they'll find ways to support the offensive statement by talking of ' context ' or question the legitimacy of the source or simply remain silent. The comment you're referring to made me gasp aloud in its wickedness.

If you do stick your head above the parapet, the pile on inevitably follows with people literally being hounded off the board. It takes a brave soul to participate on here nowadays if you don't agree with the status quo that's been established. I do hope you choose not to leave -there's still some of us with more moderate, tempered views of the situation who agree with you, even if our agreement is often only expressed with the ' thank you'button because we're too fearful of speaking out. I think that's true of wider society actually - much is made of the hundreds of thousands marching at the protests as if they reflect the views of the entire nation, but there are many more millions who have a very different take on the conflict.

I agree with you with hope for a negotiated ceasefire and for peace to follow.

Tempnamechng · 16/04/2024 13:22

It isn't really a shock anymore, though, is it, although it certainly should be. This is exactly what we have come to expect of the fate of women and girls captured by extremists of this culture (not religion).
I'm not surprised either that tensions towards Israel have increased in the region. Israel's appalling retaliatory flattening of Gaza has put the fate of many, many more Israeli women at risk if tensions escalate.

ScrollingLeaves · 16/04/2024 15:33

It is a mercy at least that some of the hostages were not sexually assaulted by their captors. An example is Amo-Goldstein. Horrific though their ordeals were in all the horror and carnage of the violence of Oct 7 - the slaughter of her husband and daughter - and their ensuing capture and subjugation by Hamas, Chen and her surviving teenage daughter, Agam, and her little boys were not treated this way by their captors.
This was an interview

on a TV Channel.

It was Chen though to whom some poor captured girls she later met in the tunnels whispered they had been sexually assaulted. They told her as a mother figure. Chen was alerting everyone that this is the terrible sort of thing that was happening to hostages and they must not be forgotten.

“Every encounter with captives in Gaza was truly exciting,” said Almog-Goldstein. “But three of the women were wounded, some had complex injuries, and some spoke about sexual assaults.”

She said the group discussed reporting the allegations to a Hamas commander on their release. “By and large, the Hamas commanders seemed to be receptive enough that we thought there might be a chance of relaying it,” she said.

But she doesn’t know whether that happened because most of the women were left behind. She is now desperate for the remaining hostages to return home, but added: “Having experienced how horrendous the fighting and bombardment was, I can’t really understand how you can both have that and care for the captives that are there.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/03/we-were-constantly-in-terror-israeli-hostage-tells-of-captivity-in-gaza

Israel 17 year old agam goldstein interview

agam goldstein H***s hostsge interview with translation #israel Israel #palestine #hostage #interview

https://youtu.be/SgQRouZoAgk?feature=shared

ChooseTheTree · 16/04/2024 15:40

@ScrollingLeaves thank God she and her teenage daughter were spared in that sense, although she's lost her other child and husband. I can't begin to imagine what the other hostages have been subjected to. Please let it be over soon. Too many people have been killed and tortured.

MsAmerica · 17/04/2024 04:19

HeidiInTheBigCity · 16/04/2024 01:42

Pray, do tell what you think that - by your own standards - people who not once but repeatedly voted for Netanyahu and, most recently, also for literal fascists like Smotrich and the convicted terrorist supporter Ben-Gvir deserve?!

By the way, quite apart from the fact that the election you complain about was in 2006 ... the Palestinian electoral system at the time was sort of similar to ours, a.k.a. "perfectly possible to end up with a lot more seats than your actual share of the vote" - which is precisely what happened!

Now, pray, do tell because of whom out of our elected leaders of recent years you are happy to be killed?

Personally, I'm going to have to go for that cabbage that outlasted Truss. While not technically elected, if I'm going to take "collective punishment", I'll pick the "maximally absurd" option so that I can at least laugh about my dire fate!

Well, @HeidiInTheBigCity, I don't think it's a reasonable comparison with one group in a dysfunctional situation where there's barely potable water because they're governed by a terrorist group whose main focus has been to wipe out another country and funnels their money into building tunnels, versus a right-wing leader who is nevertheless running a functioning country which is the closest thing to a democracy in the region.

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StormyAprilSkies · 17/04/2024 08:05

ChooseTheTree · 16/04/2024 13:13

Some of the posts on here are shockingly overt in their hatred, but the thing I find harder to swallow is that many of the well known posters don't challenge or condemn the post, rather they'll find ways to support the offensive statement by talking of ' context ' or question the legitimacy of the source or simply remain silent. The comment you're referring to made me gasp aloud in its wickedness.

If you do stick your head above the parapet, the pile on inevitably follows with people literally being hounded off the board. It takes a brave soul to participate on here nowadays if you don't agree with the status quo that's been established. I do hope you choose not to leave -there's still some of us with more moderate, tempered views of the situation who agree with you, even if our agreement is often only expressed with the ' thank you'button because we're too fearful of speaking out. I think that's true of wider society actually - much is made of the hundreds of thousands marching at the protests as if they reflect the views of the entire nation, but there are many more millions who have a very different take on the conflict.

I agree with you with hope for a negotiated ceasefire and for peace to follow.

Thank you. I've had a large number of likes for the post. Silently people don't agree with the extreme views about Israel or Jewish people. Some of the vile views spouted from individuals show them up. People tend to ignore them, their shouting their views does them no service at all. Maybe that's why a large number of threads are echo chambers of people with similar views.

I've found that in real life too. Friends in London avoid the protest areas. You cannot talk to people with views like the ones now deleted, hatred, entrenched views, feeling that 1948 means what happens now is ok, (imagine if Jewish people kept killing ordinary Germans due to the millions killed by the Nazi). The teaching of hatred through generations helps no one at all. Moving forward towards peace for all is the only way.

Have a great day. 😊

staffofone · 17/04/2024 10:03

HeidiInTheBigCity · 16/04/2024 01:42

Pray, do tell what you think that - by your own standards - people who not once but repeatedly voted for Netanyahu and, most recently, also for literal fascists like Smotrich and the convicted terrorist supporter Ben-Gvir deserve?!

By the way, quite apart from the fact that the election you complain about was in 2006 ... the Palestinian electoral system at the time was sort of similar to ours, a.k.a. "perfectly possible to end up with a lot more seats than your actual share of the vote" - which is precisely what happened!

Now, pray, do tell because of whom out of our elected leaders of recent years you are happy to be killed?

Personally, I'm going to have to go for that cabbage that outlasted Truss. While not technically elected, if I'm going to take "collective punishment", I'll pick the "maximally absurd" option so that I can at least laugh about my dire fate!

Bit rich coming from someone who once said that Netanyahu needs taken out.

MsAmerica · 17/04/2024 22:44

StormyAprilSkies · 16/04/2024 09:23

Thank you to the people who have liked my comment. I find myself feeling disgust and the need like lots of other mn's to leave these threads and hide them. That particular disgusting comment made me realise that you cannot chat with that type of view.

I hope peace comes to the region. A ceasefire and negotiations so people can live in peace.

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I'm sorry to say this, but are you aware that Hamas has a history of breaking cease-fires, and a history of sabotaging negotiations? Are you aware of the comment that Palestinians “never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity”? Are you willing to consider that a group dedicated to the goal of wiping Israel off the map may not want peace?

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