Dignity in death

[Auvergne63]

This is something that has saddened me since the bombing started in Gaza.
Every single faith has funeral rites who need to be adhered to to show respect to the dead and to help the grieving process of the ones left behind.
How can this be done in Gaza? Water is scarce so the bodies can't be washed. Bulldozers just dumped bodies in mass graves. Are the Muslims in Gaza even buried facing Makkah?
What about the other faiths?
What about the cemeteries being bulldozed?
I am sure, I will get the usual "it's a war; that what happens". For me, it is difficult to witness that , even in death, Palestinians are denied dignity. That's all.

So do you not agree that
All victims deserve dignity and respect, I don't view one as more deserving than the other?

Israel has been returning bodies.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinians-work-identify-80-dead-handed-over-israel-2023-12-27/#:~:text=The%20health%20ministry%20said%20the,of%20bodies%20to%20be%20returned.

I'm not arguing with you as you've lost me with your emotive, convoluted argument.

Some posters need to remember the civilian population are not Hamas. We are talking about thousands and thousands of innocent civilians slaughtered who do not even have dignity in death, they are not terrorists just ordinary citizens who happened to live in Gaza. Some were babies:toddlers/school kids. Some were doctors/nurses/journalists. So when we talk about what the IDF (under instruction from the Israeli government) do to civilians don’t use the excuse “but Hamas…”

The 35,000 number includes those currently unaccounted for and presumed dead under the rubble.

Oh my God. A child. That's just beyond belief.

All people deserve dignity in death, for themselves and for the loved ones left behind. All families deserve to be able to say goodbye to the people they love.

This is a cruel, horrifically cruel, thing to do, to deliberately deny people that.

Yes, he was sniped outside of Al Nasser hospital which is currently under siege by the IDF. People cannot retrieve his body.

I need to correct my earlier post though, I said dogs were eating him but I’ve just rewatched the news segment and it was actually cats. Not that it makes it any less fucking horrific.

Jesus. I saw cats eating a man's body a few weeks ago. It's sickening.

Unfortunately humans aren’t the only ones starving in Gaza. Animals are too.
every day I wake up and think surely it can’t get any worse. Every day I’m proven wrong. I don’t know what depths we need to reach before this nightmare comes to an end 😭

We need to bear in mind that 35,000 Palestinians have been killed since October 7th only. We cannot forget about the decades of abuse, humiliation and murder.
The Israeli government do not want dignity in the life of a Palestinian, and to deprive that of the dead is just the final insult. The young boy eaten by the dog symbolises the plight of the Palestinians, the same with Hind. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They are shackled by the regime of the occupation 💔

This is a redacted photo of the child I saw on the Al Jazeera report.

Every human being deserves dignity in death. This thread is about the fact Gazans are denied this.
I also hope that the innocents murdered on 07/10 had the funeral they rightly deserved and that their families were allowed to mourn in peace and to visit their graves.
Do you agree that this is what the dead in Gaza deserve too as human beings? I do.

I find death a very emotive subject, don't you?

whilst I agree this is from Oct 2023. I’d have hoped most of the victims would be identified by now. Whilst I doubt every single victim has been identified in Palestine and their faith respected (not only Muslims live in Gaza so how are they going to know this is Muslim , this one catholic etc)

That’s an extraordinary article. The casual reference to her Hamas son boarding a bus and detonating a bomb which critically injured 20 Civilians.

Im afraid I can’t muster a lot of sympathy for a Hamas terrorist and his supportive mother 🤷‍♀️

Honestly, it's totally heartless and shameless to come onto a highly emotive thread like this and say you won't argue as the argument is emotive. If it offends your sensibilities then respectfully step away from the thread.

Have you actually read the article? Bereaved family members asking to be able to bury their loved ones. A mother wanting to bury her son. Children wanting to understand what's happened to their father.

The only thing achieved by preventing that is more pain for people who are already suffering.

Hamas claim some of the still missing hostages* are dead, they don't seem to have returned the bodies.

I am very saddened to read this. Its horrible to see innocent suffering people, whether Muslim, Jewish, Christian or Athiest. But Hamas (and the Palestinians who let them rule) seem to care very little about anyones lives. They have rejected ceasefires, and deliberately chose to start a pointless war on October 7th.

Unfortunately the events of that day mean that no Israeli can sleep peacefully in their beds while Hamas still rules.

I am (a little) hopeful that Hamas will be eliminated and people in Gaza will choose a life of peace rather than war.

Personally I have a lot more sympathy for the Israeli women who were raped by Hamas and had their breasts cut off, were paraded naked through streets and other horrors. (where were all the innocent Palestinians to save them?)

*Oddly, your sympathy doesn't seem to extend to them

@Scirocco

yes of course I’ve read the article - have you?

it’s about a Hamas terrorist who blew himself up whilst detonating a bomb on a bus, critically injuring 20 civilians.

His body was retained by Israeli forces so they could bargain for the return of Israeli bodies.

why are you sympathising with a Hamas suicide bomber? Why do you care what happens to his body? Why do you think he deserves dignity in death?

@PegasusReturns then I think we've taken extremely different things from that article.

I read about (among other people) a mother grieving her son. Her son is dead, nothing that happens to his body matters to him now. But that's the body of the baby she gave birth to, the child she loved and still loves. His actions were legally and morally wrong, but she is the one continuing to be punished by this, in an extremely cruel way. She didn't commit the crime, but she's the one who can't even bury her child.

There were also children mentioned in that article, whose father was killed and they can't even say a proper goodbye to him. How are those children to come to terms with their loss and process their grief without that? How does someone explain to a child that they can't even visit their father's grave?

Apologies, @Auvergne63 . I'll ask for my posts to be removed, it was not my intention to minimise the tragic events in Gaza.

This wasn't directed at your posts at all. You are more than compassionate. You were answering the poster who thinks that only Israeli civilians are worthy of dignity.