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Opinion piece in newspaper -RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews.

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floodlightonwhatisright · 20/12/2023 16:23

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12878659/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-marches-intimidate-British-Jews-tolerate-hatred-streets.html

He raises some interesting ideas.

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Trulywonderful · 28/12/2023 00:10

1dayatatime · 27/12/2023 23:51

"It’s a small minority who are verbally and physically aggressive to Jewish people."

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Actually this statement is quite telling about how antisemitism is becoming an acceptable and growing prejudice.

Dark days ahead...

Absolutely positively

Even after some of the stuff I have seen on here lately, I can't accurately believe someone has posted that thinking it somehow makes the marches ok

noblegiraffe · 28/12/2023 00:12

Of course they would say that. Anything negative from 'their side' must be diminished or dismissed, because it's 'their side'.

1dayatatime · 28/12/2023 00:17

@Trulywonderful

"I can't accurately believe someone has posted that thinking it somehow makes the marches ok"

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What scares me most is that someone has posted that simply because antisemitism is fast becoming an acceptable prejudice.

Trulywonderful · 28/12/2023 00:28

1dayatatime · 28/12/2023 00:17

@Trulywonderful

"I can't accurately believe someone has posted that thinking it somehow makes the marches ok"

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What scares me most is that someone has posted that simply because antisemitism is fast becoming an acceptable prejudice.

Yes

Though I think in some circles it has reminded an acceptable prejudice. They just were not so open about it, however now they can be it seems. Plus others have joined them.

Didn't think I would see this in the UK within my own lifetime thats for sure

Offwiththecircus · 28/12/2023 08:36

noblegiraffe · 27/12/2023 22:33

It’s a small minority who are verbally and physically aggressive to Jewish people.

Fucksake.

Can you perhaps make a more reasoned response?
This is a forum

Offwiththecircus · 28/12/2023 08:39

stomachamaleon · 27/12/2023 23:01

@noblegiraffe I see you a 'fucksake' and raise you a 'delusion'

Where are you?
Have you witnessed the marches?

Polka83 · 28/12/2023 09:03

The tension amongst Jewish citizens must be incredibly high and I can see that some must find the marches are triggering.

However, we live in a democracy, the police are doing their job in looking for those who use antisemitic slogans (there are differing views on this which doesn’t help), and isn’t freedom of speech one of the defining features of a democracy? Something that Hamas don’t allow the Palestinians?

Thereissomelight · 28/12/2023 09:05

Polka83 · 28/12/2023 09:03

The tension amongst Jewish citizens must be incredibly high and I can see that some must find the marches are triggering.

However, we live in a democracy, the police are doing their job in looking for those who use antisemitic slogans (there are differing views on this which doesn’t help), and isn’t freedom of speech one of the defining features of a democracy? Something that Hamas don’t allow the Palestinians?

And at least they don’t live in Israel where they would be arrested and imprisoned for refusing to join the IDF..

Israeli Teen Who Refused to Enlist in IDF Military Jailed

Tens of people gathered in solidarity with Mitnick before he entered the military base where he was set to be arrested on Tuesday.

https://time.com/6551044/israeli-teen-refuses-to-enlist-in-idf/

noblegiraffe · 28/12/2023 09:09

Offwiththecircus · 28/12/2023 08:36

Can you perhaps make a more reasoned response?
This is a forum

I think you'll find that was actually the perfect response to that shitty comment.

headstone · 28/12/2023 10:35

It was a crap response imo noblegiraffe, why should a minority prevent the marches of a majority of people who are simply horrified by what our government is endorsing. I don’t agree that a minority should tarnish the majority. The minority should be dealt with and the majority should be aloud their freedom of expression without being tarnished.

stomachamaleon · 28/12/2023 10:35

@Polka83 freedom of speech is fine but are you saying that gives me carte Blanche to be a racist and say what I like. Because.... freedom of speech..... or does that only apply to antisemitism?

noblegiraffe · 28/12/2023 11:00

headstone · 28/12/2023 10:35

It was a crap response imo noblegiraffe, why should a minority prevent the marches of a majority of people who are simply horrified by what our government is endorsing. I don’t agree that a minority should tarnish the majority. The minority should be dealt with and the majority should be aloud their freedom of expression without being tarnished.

No, it's was the perfect response to the minimisation of people being verbally and physically aggressive towards Jews.

It is perfectly possible to condemn the actions of the minority instead of glossing over them as 'hot air'.

Polka83 · 28/12/2023 11:14

stomachamaleon · 28/12/2023 10:35

@Polka83 freedom of speech is fine but are you saying that gives me carte Blanche to be a racist and say what I like. Because.... freedom of speech..... or does that only apply to antisemitism?

You have misunderstood my post. I did mention the police playing a role in making sure that there were no antisemitic slogans.
I am glad we live in a society where we can march and have freedom of speech, but also understand it has its limits. Hence I support people’s right to march and support police in their difficult role in making sure there is no antisemitism. I also feel for those Jewish people who are triggered by the marches. None of this is contradictory - just uncomfortable - but goes with living in a democracy.

Walkaround · 28/12/2023 11:19

None of this is hot air, that’s the problem. Yes, of course there will be all sorts of opinions on why there should be a ceasefire represented amongst those marching, including the opinions of those who support Hamas and do not want Israel to exist at all and those who are deeply antisemitic in general. Yes, of course the longer this goes on, the more the antisemites and terrorist sympathisers will try to inveigle their opinions into the mainstream, and I can’t see it being anything other than terrifying for Jewish families and alarming for everyone else. This is also a grand opportunity for Islamophobes and racists to push their opinions into the mainstream at every opportunity.

The problem is, marches are aimed at exerting political pressure on the government of the country where the marches are taking place. A march just asking for “peace” is, tbh, a bit pointless from a political viewpoint, as already recognised by @floodlightonwhatisright , because the marchers have no political influence whatsoever over Israel or Hamas, and the UK government is hardly going to say it doesn’t support peace. What the UK government has made clear, however, is that it already condemns Hamas’ actions in October and already views it as nothing more than a terrorist group, so there is no change to be pushed for there. Where the UK government is falling short, in the view of a great many people and 100% of the people marching, is in its failure to condemn Israel’s ongoing response. The marches are aimed at putting pressure on this Government to change its response to Israel’s reaction, not on directly convincing Israel or Hamas that they should “give peace a chance.” As a consequence, the marches will no doubt continue until the UK government becomes more even handed in its condemnation of the mutual atrocities committed.

MercanDede · 28/12/2023 11:22

@Walkaround excellent post. 👍🏿

plusjamais · 28/12/2023 11:24

Offwiththecircus · 28/12/2023 08:36

Can you perhaps make a more reasoned response?
This is a forum

"It’s a small minority who are verbally and physically aggressive to Jewish people".

Absolutely jaw-dropping that you think the above statement warrants a reasoned response. As someone Jewish I am really struggling to find a better one than Giraffe's @Offwiththecircus

noblegiraffe · 28/12/2023 11:24

The marches are aimed at putting pressure on this Government to change its response to Israel’s reaction

How is shutting down Zara putting pressure on the government? How is booing people coming out of McDonalds?

Thereissomelight · 28/12/2023 11:30

@Walkaround
Exactly, thank you.

Polka83 · 28/12/2023 11:33

@Walkaround Agree with your reasoning

stomachamaleon · 28/12/2023 11:54

@Polka83 I haven't misunderstood you. Why are they being triggered?

stomachamaleon · 28/12/2023 11:54

@noblegiraffe well said. It's just to bully and intimidate people. Normal people at work. It's a farce.

Offwiththecircus · 28/12/2023 11:56

plusjamais · 28/12/2023 11:24

"It’s a small minority who are verbally and physically aggressive to Jewish people".

Absolutely jaw-dropping that you think the above statement warrants a reasoned response. As someone Jewish I am really struggling to find a better one than Giraffe's @Offwiththecircus

where are you?
Have you witnessed one of the marches?
If not where are you getting your information from?

Polka83 · 28/12/2023 12:01

stomachamaleon · 28/12/2023 11:54

@Polka83 I haven't misunderstood you. Why are they being triggered?

I am trying to understand why some people are against the marches per se.

Happy to be told I’m wrong and there are no concerns about peaceful pro-Palestinian marches.

Offwiththecircus · 28/12/2023 12:01

noblegiraffe · 28/12/2023 11:00

No, it's was the perfect response to the minimisation of people being verbally and physically aggressive towards Jews.

It is perfectly possible to condemn the actions of the minority instead of glossing over them as 'hot air'.

No one was minimising aggression towards Jewish folk.
No one was characterising anti semitism as hot air.

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