Documenting Israeli army racism and torture

[Desertrose2023]

this thread is to document the racist, criminal and dehumanizing behaviour by the most “moral army in the world” both during its most recent bombardment of Gaza and across decades of military occupation in the West Bank.

to start, here is a video of Israeli soldiers chanting they will turn Gazans into Kebabs.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czjm8bYu-_X/?igshid=MXB0Yzl2NDFpcWx5aQ==

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Rainwater declared the "property of Israeli authorities"

A UN report says:

"According to Israeli military orders in effect in the area, rain is the property of the Israeli authorities and thus Palestinians are forbidden from gathering rain water for domestic or agricultural needs".

How ridiculous and selfish can the Israeli govt get?

@treeees They are pure evil.

@Lobster7 they will claim they own the oxygen in the air soon.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of Pro Palestine posters are so busy regurgitating data from Tik Tok and Twitter don't formulate original opinions. I'm not surprised you don't know what represents antisemitism when you don't have critical thinking skills.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of anti Palestine posters are so busy regurgitating false smears of antisemitism when faced with the reality of what is going on.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/
Our report reveals the true extent of Israel’s apartheid regime. Whether they live in Gaza, East Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank, or Israel itself, Palestinians are treated as an inferior racial group and systematically deprived of their rights. We found that Israel’s cruel policies of segregation, dispossession and exclusion across all territories under its control clearly amount to apartheid. The international community has an obligation to act^^
Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General

You can't rebut claims of antisemitism when you don't know its definition. Not only that, you don't care to learn. That's the reason why your posts and there's plenty of you spiral into bigotry because you ride rough shod over accurate historical facts pertaining to the conflict.

@Sparklytops please report any posts you believe to be antisemitic. If MN agree with you they will be deleted.

Cop out post. No surprise there.

@Sparklytops by not reporting them for deletion you're the cop out here.

I said this on another thread (can't remember where) but antisemitism has no legally binding, universally accepted definition. So whats your definition? The dictionary says it's a prejudice held against Jewish people, but the IHRC goes as far as saying that 'stating that Israel is a racist endeavor' is antisemitic.

It’s done to frighten and intimidate people so they won’t speak up.

people are losing their jobs and being cancelled for speaking up for Palestinian rights. Some posters are calling people attending ceasefire marches terrorist sympathizers. The whole point is to try and isolate people who raise their voices and create an environment where other people become so terrified of being labeled ‘antisemitic’ that they will just keep their mouths shut and allow this genocide to continue.

We must continue to challenge these false narratives and stand up to this behaviour. there is strength in numbers and I personally am heartened by the number of young people who refuse to be threatened into silence. Perceptions are slowly changing. Protests by very brave students and groups like Jewish Voices for Peace are also so important in getting the fundamental point across that standing up for Palestinian rights is a human issue.

@Lobster7 @whatswrongwiththeworldddd @treeees
And anyone else here who is wondering why this thread has been correctly branded as highly antisemitic:

I'll tell you why. When you spend so much energy hating on Israel but haven't even blinked out an eye about the killings going on elsewhere around the world, that is antisemitism.

So, if anyone of you calling "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" haven't also called for the liberation of Syria, Yemen, Iraq during their times of war then you are picking on Israel. Holding Israel to a higher standard than other countries is antisemitism.
Another example: You're all calamitising about the killing taking place in Shifra hospital. Did you also share the videos of the bombing that America did on Iraqi hospitals killing hundreds of innocent people. No. Why not? Innocent civilians were also killed then?
For some reason, when Israel is doing its utmost to show how it is abiding to International law yet still it is constantly attacked by "peace-seekers" like this thread. Running to call out Israel shows that you are eager to call out the wrong-doings of Jews. That is anti-Semitism.

(And please don't go telling me, a Jewish lady living in the UK, what is and is not antisemitism.)

@Sparklytops
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Meanwhile, the vast majority of Pro Palestine posters are so busy regurgitating data from Tik Tok and Twitter don't formulate original opinions. I'm not surprised you don't know what represents antisemitism when you don't have critical thinking skills.*

Meanwhile the vast majority of Pro Israeli posters are so busy being gullible to the propaganda the IDF are regurgitating out

You nearly got me until you reached this sentence

“when Israel is doing its utmost to show how it is abiding to International law yet still it is constantly attacked by "peace-seekers" like this thread. “

think Israel needs to try harder to abide to international law, they’re not doing it really well

btw , this thread is about Israel , it doesn’t matter whether we criticise or worry about any other wars around the world. And I’m pretty sure those that are worried about what is going in Gaza atm were as well during Iraq , Afghanistan or Congo

you might think this is antisemitism, what I think is that what you’re doing is derailing a thread that is showing that Israel and its army aren’t as innocent as they’re trying to pretend and that they’ve loads of blood in their hands.

im also fed up of brand new mn accounts coming to threads trying to lecture us of what we can say or think , everyone has got an opinion but it gets really tiring or boring defending your ideas against brand new accounts every week (mostly on the weekends) that are accusing you to be pro Hamas , and antisemitism

@untitledmum this point has been raised so many times, "why are you not going on about other conflicts."

I'll repeat what has been said hundreds of times already when this has been previously posted - most of the posters on here abhor war and are likely to have commented and marched against other wars, myself included. If you think people are not interested in other conflicts, just look at the thousands of Ukraine threads started last February and beyond on MN. Easily found using the search function. And many still ongoing.

But this is a thread about Palestine so of course we're not going on about other wars on here. It would derail from the point of this, which is to raise awareness of the Palestinians and what is going on for them.

But if you're concerned about those other wars, please start a thread on them separately on the appropriate board, I am sure some people will happily join in.

At the moment though the urgency is about this conflict as it is going on right now so of course people will be posting about it more. Especially as we are rightly shocked at what is happening. So, let's keep this thread focussed on that.

1 million people marched against the war in Iraq. I was one of them. People still quite rightly in my view call George bush and tony Blair war criminals for their invasion of that country. But when we criticize Israel it can be for no other reason than we’re anti semites ?

perhaps if you considered for just one second the possibility that maybe the whole world isn’t on some antisemitic vendetta to get israel just for the sake of it, you could see the victims in this whole sorry affair are the ones in Gaza starving to death and having to pick up bits of their kids off the floor.

Back to the thread

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2022/02/qa-israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-cruel-system-of-domination-and-crime-against-humanity/

@untitledmum I echo what @EasterIssland and @treeees have said. They are right.

For clarification purposes when you said

“when Israel is doing its utmost to show how it is abiding to International law yet still it is constantly attacked by "peace-seekers" like this thread. “

I've had to laugh as I've seen nothing to convince me that it is abiding by international law. What examples of this can you give?

Holding Israel to a higher standard than other countries is antisemitism.

Haven’t you seen the marches in the USA, the U.K. and Europe holding those governments into account for supporting and arming Israel? That means holding our governments to account too.

Israel is seen as part of the Western ‘free’ world and a place where people from the USA, Britain, Europe, Russia, people from among all of us go to live. No one can understand why such people, think it is ok to bomb civilians.

Do you want Israel to be thought if as just another Putin-like governed place? …. held to the same account? Assad-like governed? Held to the same account as these?

Many people in the U.K. considered Iraq to have been a crime. Many people marched against it. We weren’t even seeing the killings in real time like we are now.

Quite a few people here still think of this region as The Holy Land.

Netanyahu and the others in the current State of Israel, together with allies (U.S.A etc)who are prosecuting this war are actually creating anti-semetism against innocent Jewish people everywhere including in the diaspora who would not want any of this done in their name.

Reading another testimony from an IDF soldier from break the silence:

During the entire operation the [tank] drivers had this thing of wanting to run over cars – because the driver, he can’t fire. He doesn’t have any weapon, he doesn’t get to experience the fun in its entirety, he just drives forward, backward, right, left. And they had this sort of crazy urge to run over a car. I mean, a car that’s in the street, a Palestinian car, obviously.

"The women-combatants, in particular, were doing the slapping. There were two of them who really enjoyed hitting out. But the guys, too, had no problem slapping women. If she would scream they would go: shut up! and slap her. It was routine violence there. "

https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/database/41810

And top marks there for your critical thinking skills. What a response 🤦‍♀️ what is it with posters saying you lack critical thinking skills when they are stumped for a reply or response.
Trying to have a conversation with the pro Israeli posters on mumsnet is no different to the many interviews conducted with Israeli government officials. Check this guys critical thinking skills out! His responses, when the interviewer exposes their propaganda remind me of my 10 year old when he gets caught lying. That’s how a lot of the pro Israeli posters sound like on here 🤦‍♀️change the record.
Seriously, doesn’t matter how much evidence you put forward it’s like they just don’t have the intelligence to understand that their lies have been exposed. Wonder when and if the penny will finally drop?

Once, when I was on reserves duty, some guy was throwing stones and was arrested. I don’t remember whether we arrested him or someone else did. He was arrested soon after he’d thrown stones nearby. He was a boy from Ya’bad village, just a boy. Two-three days later, our mission was to harass civilians there, to go to his parents’ house and tell them: Your child was arrested for throwing stones, make sure it doesn’t happen again. And that’s what we did. We came at night, and a representative of the [Israeli] Civil Administration knocked on the door, spoke with his parents, and spoke to his brother, who was a Palestinian Authority man. They didn’t even know he’d been arrested, they’d had no idea where he was for three days. That’s what I know.

How old was he, do you remember?
I think he was 14-15 years old.
And the family was just told that he’d been arrested for that, then they were scolded a bit, and then you just left?
There was no purpose beyond that. I don’t remember the actual wording of the mission’s purpose, but in the briefings beforehand, we were told that the purpose was to punish them a bit, to motivate them to make sure that their children don’t do it again. That was the reasoning behind those house entries. It felt uncomfortable. Waking everyone up there. The approach was didactic, in that sense. To educate them to educate their child.

https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/database/423535