Suella Braverman has "close family members in the Isreali military "

[Inauthentic]

Her husband is a "very proud member of the Jewish community" and lived in Isreal.

Clearly, the conflict must feel quite personal to her and clouds her judgement?

She wrote 'deeply offensive' article on pro-Palestinian march which “was not cleared by Number 10”.

The people she blew the whistle for are exactly the sort of people who would eject her (and Rishi) from 'engerland' if they had any power, her husband too...the far right aren't buddies with Jewish people

I can't understand the logic. The ugly 'counter-protesters' on 11/11 from the far right were protesting, as far as I can make out, for an England 'unadulterated' by any minority communities, including Jewish people. How on earth is that more acceptable than thousands of peaceful demonstrators, 99% of whom just want to see an end to the obliteration of Gaza? Even 99% of those chanting for a free Palestine, are not calling for the anihillation of Israel or the Jewish people. Most of the supporters of the IDF actions in Gaza know this full well, but are disingenuously stating otherwise. We all recognise that Hamas are barbaric killers, but maybe expected a more measured response from Israel?

I think the government have already wasted enough of our time and resources harassing people who aren’t a national security threat.

@wyndon

Not sure why you’re asking me this?

If these women’s families are from Palestine and are there now, of course the genocide happening would affect them and they’d use their platform. Or are you implying their call for peace and ceasefire is supporting Hamas?

No, you said his personal loyalty was to Israel, that is very different thing.

Perhaps you chose your words badly, in the context of the definition of antisemitism it certainly didn’t look good.

She's a nasty bitch for sure.

@noblegiraffe

I think if it were to automatically to assume his loyalties were to Israel based solely on his wife being from there it might fit with the definition. But it is not, he has openly expressed it and is adamant that he is on Israel’s side which does imply loyalty as he went as far as to excuse them withholding water and food.

Nevertheless, it is appreciated that you are balanced enough to give the benefit of the doubt with regards to intent, ignorance or plain clumsiness. I wish more posters were balanced in that way.

No I'm simply wondering why the thing seeing said by you and others about Kier Starmer and Suella Braverman aren't being said about people with families in or from Palestine.

There's a difference between saying that they're personally affected by what's going on and saying that their judgment is clouded and their personal loyalty is to another country.

I didn't even mention Hamas.

And Humza Yousaf is not a woman. 🫤

But people aren’t saying KS and SB are not calling for a ceasefire because they have Israeli relatives. They saying it’s because their spouses are Jewish. This is textbook anti-semitism.

Would you say Sadiq Khan is only calling for a ceasefire because he’s Muslim? That his Muslim connections make him more loyal to the Middle-East than the UK? No, because that would be islamophobic.

An anti-Semite is never going to see their anti-Semitism - that is all I can learn from these threads on mumsnet

But still shocking to see how people don't see threads like this as being anti-Semitic

At the heart of it, the premise of this thread is that Jewish people are not entitled to a view

But you’re still saying that his political opinion is related to his wife being Jewish?

“BethDuttonsTwin · Yesterday 13:28

So?

Humza Yousaf’s wife is from Gaza which has driven repeated biased rhetoric from him. She has also been “Calling For Peace” using her platform as his wife too. If you’re ok with that then it’s fine for Braverman too.”

@wyndon ^. They are.

The thing is, a lot of people agree with a Ceasefire and incentivising peace instead of killing thousands of innocent civilians and starving them to death. I think that’s why there aren’t many threads condemning these women in asking for peace and ceasefire.

@Curman

I said that I can see why people might think this is one factor. Especially seeing how adamantly he argues on behalf of Israel’s response. As well as how I can see, how people married to Palestinians that have family there would be affected on some personal level too.

All explained before on this thread, your assertion has already been answered.

And that makes it okay for you to say the same thing about Starmer does it?

I disagree with that posy. But I was thinking more about why the people who criticise politicians with Jewish relatives (even if those relatives aren't Israeli) and not those with Palestinian relatives?

So do you think if someone is married to a Palestinian that their personal loyalty is to Palestine?

@wyndon yes it’s perfectly okay based on the context and what he said in the LBC interview.

I don’t think people are being criticised purely for being Jewish or having Israeli/Jewish relatives and this is important that you and others understand.

It is about who supports a ceasefire and who doesn’t, many Jews/Israelites DO support a ceasefire.

@wyndon

No, not automatically. Of course not. Please do not try this tactic with me of putting words into my mouth.

I think it’s safe to assume that the two politicians wives mentioned from Palestine who have family there are personally affected and have said they are. So for them it’s public knowledge they’re affected.

But Starmer’s wife isn’t Israeli, so it’s not at all the same as someone married to a Palestinian.

It’s absolutely astonishing, isn’t it?

I was once told to ‘go back home then if I didn’t like it’, from the country I had lived in my entire adult life and am a legal citizen of life when I expressed unhappiness with things happening in the country. I was greeted with a furious, angry response, reminiscent of @Green777 when I said how racist that was, ‘you called me a racist! How dare you! You called me a racist’

Well yes, I said what you said was racist, the same as I say it is deeply anti-Semitic to say that those not condemning Israel are doing it due to their Jewish connections. Feel as angry about that as you choose, but if you express views imbibed with anti-semitism, however unconsciously, I’m going to unapologetically call them out.

One of the things I have seen a lot is people saying that Jewish people can't experience antisemitism in the same way as people who are obviously of colour experience racism, because in the main European Jews look/ are white.

What this slightly sinister thread is illustrating is the fact that people will go to extraordinary lengths to find out exactly who is Jewish, and make sure everyone else knows too. Not only that - they'll also use it as a reason to dismiss anything those people and their relatives/ spouses have to say.

Which post is this in response to?

@0palfruity "What this slightly sinister thread is illustrating is the fact that people will go to extraordinary lengths to find out exactly who is Jewish, and make sure everyone else knows too. Not only that - they'll also use it as a reason to dismiss anything those people and their relatives/ spouses have to say"

I never had a clue or interest about people's religion or who they were married too. I only came across it recently because it is proclaimed proudly in Jewish publications. The one I link for example, plus one about Starmer and for example one about being related to the most powerful man in the world. So no extraordinary lengths! All easily learnt these past 4 weeks
Plus Kamilla Harris created a lot of controversy/news articles because she put a bottle of (settler if you are in the EU or Israeli if you are in the US) wine on her table at a Passover Seder she hosted. You don't think that her being married to Doug Emhoff had any bearing on that? The same winery that named its wine after Mike Pompeo who even visited their settlement winery. "Pompeo says US will no longer abide by 1978 State Department opinion that settlements are against international law."

Biden, Harris and their families are making Jewish history on Inauguration Day | The Times of Israel

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Genuine question - why do so many posters appear to struggle with the spelling of 'Israel'? It's only six letters!

I was wondering if it was deliberate, to show they're not bothered ?

(Waits for 200 posters to tell me they're actually dyslexic).

I've wondered this too - and it's trended on twitter spelt wrongly too so must be a few people doing it

Perhaps it's an attempt to spell it phonetically Is-re-ul? Not that I pronounce it like that but ..............................

I had the same thought. Such a short word and so many posters get it wrong