Suella Braverman has "close family members in the Isreali military "

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Her husband is a "very proud member of the Jewish community" and lived in Isreal.

Clearly, the conflict must feel quite personal to her and clouds her judgement?

She wrote 'deeply offensive' article on pro-Palestinian march which “was not cleared by Number 10”.

@AngryBirdsNoMore

You don’t need to ask to try and draw the pp out and then try twist their words. You already know why.

No, my point is that the poster was intimating that all Jews are against a ceasefire. It indicates that all Jews are of a single homogenous mind and they all want the bombing of Gaza to continue. This is, at best, untrue.

So?

Humza Yousaf’s wife is from Gaza which has driven repeated biased rhetoric from him. She has also been “Calling For Peace” using her platform as his wife too. If you’re ok with that then it’s fine for Braverman too.

@AngryBirdsNoMore

I agree and am heartened to see many Israeli’s and Jews support a ceasefire but in this case we’re discussing KS and he come hell or high water is resisting a ceasefire so naturally one could draw the conclusion that he and his family are against it.

@BethDuttonsTwin

Why have you put in commas ‘calling for peace’?

You can read exactly why Keir Starmer is against calling for a ceasefire and instead calling for longer humanitarian pauses and working towards a future two state solution. His position is reasoned and thinking of the longer term, particularly in the context of someone who expects to be Prime Minister shortly.

Suggesting that his wife made him do it is just stupid. He has given his reasons and they make sense.

Suggesting that his wife made him do it because she is Jewish is skirting uncomfortably close to the notion of politicians being controlled by Jews in the shadows and is best avoided.

@noblegiraffe

I don’t think anyone’s said his wife made him do it? That’s ludicrous and twisting words.

Ah yes, the short humanitarian pause to feed and water people quickly before you bomb them.

I don’t think anyone’s said his wife made him do it?

Ah but she's Jewish, and that explains why he 'won't condemn the genocide'.

People should give their head a wobble and read what he actually has said.

@noblegiraffe

Saying his wife is Jewish and that in part explains it is very far from saying his wife made him do it.

His personal loyalties are to Israel and the right to defend itself. Even through cutting off water and food as he said on the LBC interview.

His personal loyalties are to Israel

Are you sure? His personal loyalties are to a country other than the one he will be next Prime Minister of? That’s quite a charge.

With regard to Keir Starmer, is it not that he is stuck between a rock and a hard place? With recent history in the Labour Party of antisemitism claims, any move to a conciliatory position with Palestine will be jumped on by the press and opponents as a sign that antisemitism is back within Labour, despite the fact that disagreeing with Israel’s policies does not equate to antisemitism.

Why would his wife being Jewish make him loyal to Isreal?

I agree. I find the line taken here quite anti-Semitic.

@Fantasyanswer

You’re delusional and extremist if that’s what you’ve taken away from what I’ve said.

You’ve accused me of something serious with no basis, twisting my words.

Im afraid shrieking ‘anti-semitism’ at things that clearly aren’t isn’t working anymore.

Accusing people of 'shrieking' is not an argument. Nor is any of the hyperbole in your post.

There is every basis for what I said.

Time and time again since this conflict I have seen people explaining those who are not accusing Israel of genocide, who do not join the marches, who think Israel has a right to protect itself from those committed to continue to murder its civilians and who want its destruction, as explaining those who think like this as having as having ' Jewish connections'. Instead of just having an opinion they have arrived out without being 'influenced by Jews'. I see it on here from those who use it to explain KS stance, to explain SB stance. I've seen it in interviews with those on the marches, for example I saw one man from the Arts community explaining those in the Arts sector who were not condemning Israel as it being due to the influence of Jews high up in the Arts community. This is an ancient, ancient anti-semitic trope.

Anti- semitism works like this. You don't have to wear a swastika to hold anti-semitic views. You don't have to realise you hold anti-semitic views to hold them. You don't have to be sexist to hold unconscious sexist views either,. Such as slurring women who disagree with you as ' shrieking' for example.

If you don't explain away those supporting the marches due to their Palestinian or muslim connections. But you do think those with a different point of view must hold them due to their Jewish connections, then, yes, that is anti-semitic.

I really cannot believe the level of Jew-hating racism on this site now. It is sickening. So what if Starmer's wife is Jewish? So what if Braverman has Israeli relatives? Carry on with the racist lists why not. No one can deny the racism no matter how much they try. Is it the left-wing fad du jour to be racist so everyone has to be as much of a Jew-hating racist as they possibly can? This whole board should be deleted. Or left to stand to show the banal evil that people feel emboldened to come out with.

Eloquent and irrefutable post.

@Fantasyanswer

You have personally attacked me accusing me of anti-semitism because I’ve said another poster could naturally presume that KS doesn’t support a ceasefire and that one COULD PRESUME that his connections to Israel through his family has a role to play. That he is not forced by his wife to hold that view.

I said that many Jews and Israeli’s do support a ceasefire and that is heartwarming to me.

You also accused me of saying he’s part of a big Jew club.

You are unbalanced and extreme and accusing people of anti semitism where there is 0 anti-semitism.

From the IHRA definition of antisemitism

• “Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.“

You said Starmer’s personal loyalty was to Israel. Why did you say that? And can you see how it looks dodgy in the light of the above?

@Fantasyanswer

Ah I see your personal attack on me calling me anti-semetic has been deleted…

@noblegiraffe

Yes I said that people COULD and do presume that they think it’s relevant that as a left wing labour leader denying a ceasefire they do think it’s a relevant factor that his wife is Jewish, other Pro Israel posters on here have actively slated Muslim wives of politicians.

@noblegiraffe

If you look at his LBC interview he states personally that he thinks Israel should defend itself by any means necessary including withholding water fuel and food. So no one is ‘accusing’ him of this, it is FACT and from his own words that he is personally of this opinion and openly supports what the IDF is doing.

So where are all the threads accusing Humza Yousaf or Layla Moran of having clouded judgement and personal loyalties to Palestine?

You can't say things like that on this forum, it's far too reasonable.