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ChalkWitch · 2023-10-23T12:00:20+00:00

[[https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keep-world-clean-anti-semitic-poster-palestine-israel-warsaw-outrage/ https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keep-world-clean-anti-semitic-poster-palestine-israel-warsaw-outrage/]] Wow. I realise these incidents are on the up but that’s so blatant. She goes on to dissemble: She continued: “I do not support the killing of civilians, of course, but I support Hamas and Palestinians’ rights to stand up for themselves.” She openly supports Hamas. This is a medical student. She also stated that the banner referred to the Israeli government not Jewish people or Israelis in general. Yeah, alright love, pull the other one it has got bells on… I’m not sure what I’m asking here- just so shocked to see this.

piddocktrumperiness · 23/10/2023 18:37

Anyway, people really need to educate themselves when it comes to this conflict- what it is and what it is not. What they can say and what they shouldn't conflate.

LemonyTicket · 23/10/2023 18:42

I will just be completely honest.

Anyone who genuinely actually cares about "human rights" or freedom for Palestinian people would be protesting that their actual government:

Have not had an election since 2006!
Spend all their aid money on terrorism instead of water, food, medicine
Radicalise their young people to terrorism instead of helping them get a start
Deprive them of human rights across the board
Oppress any dissent by force
Deliberately use them as human shields and treat their lives as worthless
Refuse to discuss any peaceful solutions and have for 100 years

There is no way to possibly advocate for Palestinian rights without acknowledging they are under an oppressive, deranged, murderous government who are in large part responsible for their plight.

So sure, protest everything Israel does wrong - the occupation is wrong, this over-reaction and senseless killing is also wrong. Protest the fuck out of that.

But if you try and act like Israel is to blame for Palestinians lacking human right then you're either an idiot, or you're doing what you're doing to kick Israel - rather than to bona fide try and help Palestinian people.

I cried watching the faces of those Palestinian children.

But their own leaders and their own countrymen did what they did LAUGHING while they did it, celebrating, videoing it and acting like it was righteous and the will of G-d. They knew very well it would result in the loss of probably thousands of their own children's lives and they did it anyway.

The positively revel in this. It's a win / win / win / win for them.

Kill a load of Jews? GREAT!
Have a load of lefties and celebrities around the world applaud them? GREAT!
A load of their citizens and kids die? WHO CARES?

That is the honest truth. So anyone who wants to actually help Palestinians genuinely needs to stop playing right into Hamas' hands.

They are not freedom fighters, this is not resistance and Palestinian and Jewish lives are worth the same, and the terror and burning of Jewish babies is never some romanticised Jihadi statement of freedom. It is evil on earth.

The best possible thing for Palestinians would be to overthrow their own leaders, sit down at a peace table, negotiate a peace deal and then get on with rebuilding the lives of these people!

Calling for Jihad or death to Jews is not freedom!

Trulywonderful · 23/10/2023 18:43

EsmaCannonball · 23/10/2023 15:50

Doctors were the single biggest profession to join the SS. Maybe she has a few career goals?

Interesting to know and rather scary at the same time

Trulywonderful · 23/10/2023 18:51

ChalkWitch · 23/10/2023 16:51

@etmoietmoietmoi that news saddens me. That is the only example I have seen. To hear that others are happily holding these up is very bloody scary. I find it intolerable that this would be directed to any group, but why the police did nothing in this instance is shocking.

Because as Keir Starmer and the police have pointed out to the government there are gaps in our British laws that allow this. These types of people know they can get away with this legally.

Whether universities and employers want to take action is something else. They make you sign contacts that you won't act in a way that would make them look bad etc. So the law cannot touch some of these people but they could get kicked out of jobs or universities.

Fallenangelofthenorth · 23/10/2023 18:52

piddocktrumperiness · 23/10/2023 18:06

it's disgusting- absolutely horrifying, mortifying and shameful.

please remember this idiot was not the only one protesting or marching. Many were marching for genuine solidarity. Many were marching to help the citizens of Gaza.

She would have been better off putting a picture of Bibi in the bin. Many would cheer that on

Nah I don't believe you. I've heard the chants of "from the river to the sea", seen people with parachute drawings pinned to their clothes. These marches are antisemitic as these people are supporting and/or calling for the destruction of Israel. Nasty racists.

OhHelloTheres · 23/10/2023 18:55

The same poster (well, not exactly the same, but a smaller version with the same text and image) was also held up in London the other day. It's utterly terrifying.

OhHelloTheres · 23/10/2023 18:57

Sorry, old posts weren't showing but I see now that someone already mentioned it. Ignore me!

Stomacharmeleon · 23/10/2023 18:59

I was talking to my brother about the protesters with parachutes/ gliders pinned to their Backs and he told me they can't be arrested with them on their backs as they can say someone pinned it there.

I am worried deeply about the way things are being 're-framed' and the rise of anti-Semitic hate. I know that medical student was in Poland but there has been hugely questionable banners and placards in London and our police seem unwilling to challenge it. The sheer scale of 'celebs' and b list wannabes suddenly becoming experts on geo politics is truly alarming.

The condemnation of Hamas is like an afterthought..... terror apologists. It's really made me think about this country as a whole and what we don't see. Jew hatred is leaking out of every pore for some in society at the moment dressed up as 'outrage'.

I am so unsettled....

EasternStandard · 23/10/2023 19:03

Stomacharmeleon · 23/10/2023 18:59

I was talking to my brother about the protesters with parachutes/ gliders pinned to their Backs and he told me they can't be arrested with them on their backs as they can say someone pinned it there.

I am worried deeply about the way things are being 're-framed' and the rise of anti-Semitic hate. I know that medical student was in Poland but there has been hugely questionable banners and placards in London and our police seem unwilling to challenge it. The sheer scale of 'celebs' and b list wannabes suddenly becoming experts on geo politics is truly alarming.

The condemnation of Hamas is like an afterthought..... terror apologists. It's really made me think about this country as a whole and what we don't see. Jew hatred is leaking out of every pore for some in society at the moment dressed up as 'outrage'.

I am so unsettled....

This sums it up well to me

WeAreWarriors · 23/10/2023 19:14

The anti-Jewish hate really concerns me. I worry when DH speaks Hebrew to our children. DC1 goes to a senior school with a large Muslim population. Should he conceal his heritage? It might be sensible.

It shouldn't be this way.

EsmaCannonball · 23/10/2023 19:23

The thing that most disturbed me in the policing of this issue was the event where the police told the Jewish organisation, who were driving around London in a van displaying images of the kidnapped children, to turn off their signs and go away. It was the police doing what was easiest rather than what was right.

Fallenangelofthenorth · 23/10/2023 19:34

EsmaCannonball · 23/10/2023 19:23

The thing that most disturbed me in the policing of this issue was the event where the police told the Jewish organisation, who were driving around London in a van displaying images of the kidnapped children, to turn off their signs and go away. It was the police doing what was easiest rather than what was right.

You are fucking kidding?! How dare they. What an absolute shower they are. I feel so sorry for the Jewish Community. It must be sickening seeing all this hatred towards them. Again.

Maireas · 23/10/2023 19:47

Did you see the video of the man defacing the posters of the kidnap victims?
He wrote "coloniser" over the face of a kidnapped 2 year old. What kind of person would do that?
Others have ripped all the posters down.

LemonyTicket · 23/10/2023 19:55

EsmaCannonball · 23/10/2023 19:23

The thing that most disturbed me in the policing of this issue was the event where the police told the Jewish organisation, who were driving around London in a van displaying images of the kidnapped children, to turn off their signs and go away. It was the police doing what was easiest rather than what was right.

I was pretty shocked the Met Police said people calling for Jihad on microphones could have meant a number of different things.

In context, could they? Really?

TwilightSkies · 23/10/2023 20:01

Many were marching for genuine solidarity. Many were marching to help the citizens of Gaza.

Lest we forget, eh? As if we'd be allowed to.

You want to forget about the ACTUAL genocide happening in Gaza right now? Why? Thousands and thousands of children and babies being murdered by the IDF….

Stomacharmeleon · 23/10/2023 20:40

I always think when there are huge marches in London... if you are there for genuinely peaceful reasons.... why cover your face with a mask or scarf and make inflammatory posters and placards.
They know nothing of this situation.....

Trulywonderful · 23/10/2023 21:01

Stomacharmeleon · 23/10/2023 20:40

I always think when there are huge marches in London... if you are there for genuinely peaceful reasons.... why cover your face with a mask or scarf and make inflammatory posters and placards.
They know nothing of this situation.....

They also won't listen to anyone else's opinion on the issue and only value opinions that match there own. Take a look at some of the mumsnet conflict threads at the I went on the pro p march people. The things they post and the way they speak to people.

It isn't very left or woke these days, those people are fascists. This is how fascists think. To me the marches contain, fascists, extremists and a small percentage of idiots that are there because it is fashionable or something. (Good for the social media account photo)

inamarina · 24/10/2023 09:03

LemonyTicket · 23/10/2023 18:00

They don't just do nothing. It's worse than that.

I guarantee if there was someone standing next to her with an Israeli flag, they would consider this woman branding this genocidal antisemitic message as the "good one" and the Israeli supporter as the "bad one". Such is their prejudice they have now lost all ability to see right from wrong.

Hence here so many of them are reframing burning babies, rape and cold blooded murder of innocent civilians as "resistance". There is no form of "resistance" that actually looks anything like that, but their prejudice against the ole star of David is now so deeply ingrained, we have almost become monsters in their eyes - undeserving of even basic empathy.

I have watched antisemitism creeping into the mainstream, particularly via the "anti imperial" left (who don't understand what imperialism is) and it's been a slow but powerful process.

Bit by bit, each person contributes their little bit - subtle, but chip chip chip of sharing blatantly antisemitic words, images and ideas to millions via social media and making it en vogue to persecute Jews again, and it works rather like advertising.

It poisons the minds of people to generally dehumanise Jewish people to a point this woman is standing in the middle of a protest in broad daylight - purportedly advocating for HUMAN RIGHTS, whilst brandishing a sign that Goebbels himself might have felt too direct.

And I saw the video of her on Twittter explaining herself, and she has not the slightest clue what she is talking about. It's clear she keeps looking at her friend for instructions for what to say. It's clear she hasn't even got the most basic information needed to have any kind of opinion at all. Yet here she is, believing herself to be actually virtue signalling because the left wing have "made antisemitism great again".

And I am left wing myself!

This is how the majority of the population of this world was convinced for millennia that Jews were evil, bad, worthy of all the hate - simply by everyone just going along with it. How they don't feel icky, I will never know.

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Hence here so many of them are reframing burning babies, rape and cold blooded murder of innocent civilians as "resistance".

I’ve noticed that too. I’ve seen an Instagram post (just one example amongst many) about people being massacred at that music festival and one of the first comments was berating the victims for being at a festival in the first place, while ‘just beyond the border people were living in an open air prison’.
Incredible, how someone can see the atrocities committed at that festival and still decide that the right thing to do is to ‘call out’ the festival goers.

Stomacharmeleon · 24/10/2023 11:19

@LemonyTicket what a brilliant post x

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ChalkWitch · 24/10/2023 11:32

@LemonyTicket yes! I cannot work out that re-posting deal yet but yes to the fact that other marchers did indeed do more than nothing. Tacit acceptance is not nothing.
@inamarina I am fed up and sickened by how many people say ‘Yes, what happened on the 7th of October was awful, BUT..’ and then go on to justify it because open air prison, years of oppression, land grabbing Israelis etc (delete as appropriate).
If these people really cared about the Palestinians why aren’t they demanding a better govt for them that is elected in (you know recently not over a decade ago), demanding their own govt. stop using them as human shields, demanding their govt.spend foreign aid on infrastructure not fecking weaponry.
palestinians deserve better than that, but strangely they are silent on these points and revert back to years of oppression, persecution etc.
Also, if you want to talk about years of oppression and persecution then I think Jewish people are at the top of that list unfortunately.
I’ve just seen another rather hysterical OP start a thread insisting that Palestinians welcomed Jews to the Holy Land in 1947… the level of ignorance around this subject is actually breathtaking. In a bad way.

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Catlord · 24/10/2023 11:41

Goodness me. I hope her university deal with this strongly.

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ChalkWitch · 24/10/2023 11:56

I hope they kick her out, we don’t need medics like that.

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lookingforMolly · 24/10/2023 11:57

I hate to say this but not surprised this happened in Poland - when I visited Krakow in 2019 I was shocked to find (after visiting Auschwitz Birkenau!) souvenir shops in the city centre with small figurines that were unpleasant caricatures of Jews with coins.

Also on visiting the Schindler factory taxi drivers who thought we were Jewish (and therefore as the prejudice goes have more money) tried to rip us off but a short walk away the price for the same journey was half! Etc etc.
I liked Krakow but that kind of thing was not nice.

Obviously not saying all Poles are anti semitic!

lookingforMolly · 24/10/2023 12:00

Also there's a homophobic atmosphere! I went with a female friend & the travel agent had accidentally booked us a double room.
The hotel manager's attitude was downright hostile towards us until we asked for (and got luckily) a twin room.
It was an expensive chain hotel too.

Xenia · 24/10/2023 13:05

One of the long standing problems with English law has been doing some things is illegal if it creates a breach of the peace. That is why is you go swimming naked on your own in a mountain lake you don't break the law but if you try walking naked down Oxford Street you might be. It is the reaction of those around you that can decide if the police act or not which has always felt very wrong to me. Eg if people in a public area of the UK don't like me showing bare arms that should not mean I have to cover my arms. Similarly if in a 99% non muslim area people don't like to see muslim head covering it shouldn't be wrong to wear it just because you are in a group of people who don't like it. In other words force should not prevail over right.

It is why I support the right to burn of the koran, bible or anything else (which is lawful) in some countries in Europe where the police go out and allow the burning even if violent muslim and other protestors around are not happy about this. However when people go over the boundary into breaking the law such as calling to kill all the jews then the law does prohibit threats to kill.

I hope the police would be as accommodating of 100,000 jews marching in London in support of Israel as much as they let 100,000 people some chanting for jihad have their demonstration.