Do you ever just think "what the hell, its never going to work, so why am i doing all this"?

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i think back to the 2 weeks before i know i was pg with ds and i

• got so drunk that a taxi driver threatened to throw us out of the cab because we were singing.

• climbed onto the roof at work in torrential rain to unblock the guttering because the kitchen was flooding

• drank 2 bottles of wine with lilsis and fell over trying to switch the security light on

• got so stoned that i had to be put to bed

smoked a lot* of cigarettes and drank every night with the chefs after work

• lived on as little food as possible and lots of strong coffee (was restaurant manager) working up to 18hrs per day.

and now i try to be the purest of the pure to concieve another dc. does it really make any difference?

No it doesn't

It's all shite, actually.

We must not think this lissie. Let's talk about puppies or kittens or something

lol, my dog has calmed right down since we had his crackers chopped!

lol

and also i wonder how many months of my life i have to take folic acid. its all wank. Im not even sure what im doing tbh

lol, pre-ds i didnt take anything. didnt stick my arse in the air after sex and didnt have a clue about my cycle!

Stick arse in the air? another thing to add to my list of things I must do. It is almost as ling as the list of what not to do

I agree pure is just not easy and appears in my case as well as yours to achieve nothing anyway!

I curse the day I heard about the 2ww I used to wait patiently for my AF and cheer for its appearance now I count everyday of my cycle, I see it now as counting my life away tbh.

Pass to grape juice I need a drink!

exactly, my lifestyle when ds was conceived was not really conducive to ttc. it was actually pretty debauched. and yes i gave smoking/drinking/drugs/climbing on roofs as soon as i found out i was up the stick, but it didnt do any harm. but i know that if i were to get pg and mc again having shifted my life back round to a toned down version (smoking the odd ciggie, drinking in the 2ww, eating pate/brie) i would blame myself. its lose/lose!

And being able to tell which side i ov'd from? there was a time when i barely knew anything about my cycle at all, let alone what each stage/twinge could mean!

You will probably find as soon as you stop worrying about it it will happen IMO

Stress is not conductive to TTC

The body feels under stress and thinks 'Whats the point in stressing myself out further by conceiving and carrying a baby'

stercus, unfortunately i dont think it is stress that is affecting my chances. have had 8 mc's, 1 ep (during which i lost a tube and nearly died) and have been ttc for 3y now.

Sorry flower

I was generalising

no probs, for a lot of women stress can be a factor, its just once it gets to a certain point it is less likely to be stress-related and more likely to be a physical problem.

lol, dont worry. i do sometimes assume that people know about my past

I would have to agree with you all although am trying to be positive but i try to be as healthy as i can and its still 5yrs and 3mcs later and nothing.

When i fell with DD i was drinking heavily, smoking heavily and {whispers} doing drugs and not soft stuff either and didnt even think about my cycle or the 2ww. When i fell with DD i was 20 and still thought that you could get pg every time you had sex, i wish i still thought that way i would be so much more relaxed.

right i'm going to have a glass of wine and some chocolate and sod the fact i am on the 2ww.

lolol, have decided that i shall have a beer tonight. fecking 2ww is sooo stressful. have a hint of period cramps, so sod it!

stercus, its all good exercise y'know!!

Lissie - yes sod it thats what i say it is the best was to be.

if its going to happen it will happen no matter what we all do i realy believe that.

You know what my friend fell pg and was realy worried as she had gone to disney land and been on all th rides and when she told the doc he said it had probably helped tit all get in place and inbed so there. Lots of drink, chocolate and rollercoaster rides he he

lol, thats a new ttc trick i must try!

Hey ive just Ovulated so i'm off to thorpe park next weekend LOL. I'll try anything

lol its worth a try! think i might go on a bender next ov day

I think you should and i may join you. However cant get too drunk as will fall asleep and miss the boat completely LOL.

Ive also wondered about becoming a drug addict as they seem to be pretty fertile.

lol

nowt in zita wests book about that though.