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Thought I'd take the plunge and begin new thread to follow on from this one thread

All welcome.
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Hello,

hope you are enjoying your bd fest yellow and that the 2ww goes fast wasabi

still no af for me which is really odd - don't even feel like its on its way, its like its just disappeared!! I'm not really thinking that the BFN was wrong as it was on due date - what do you think ladies?

how is everyone else?

Hi guys.

Wasabi - you may have the same problem as me listen to this ...............

I have been temping and found that although temp went up after Ovulation it dropped back down again and was almost the same as all my other temps. Well as i brought the book 'taking charge of your fertility' i know this is a sign of low progesterone so i started researching it and get this NIGHT SWEATS are a symptom as well as many other things too. so yesterday i made an appointment to see doc for today so i could discuss this development with them. Woke this morning and temp had shot up again now i was realy confused 7DPO and peak in temp i def wasnt ov as none of the signs other than sharp pains low down yesterday. Sooo i took this all to the doc and guess what a peak in temp 7DPO can be implanation as more progesterone is produced when egg implants hence higher temp. Well me and doc discussed it and as i have had 3MC before and we have worked out progestrone seems to be the problem she has given me progesterone Gel to put in every day to hopefully if i am pg to maintain it.
another thing is that the low progesterone would also explain why i always fall when i take clomid as clomid does make you produce more progesterone but in normal cycles i dont have enough and progesterone makes the lining of the womb soft so the egg can inbed and if its not soft enough it wont inbed !!!! we have probably been fertilising an egg every month and this is the reason we are not falling. Obviously they havent tested me as yet and if i do trun out NOT to be pg then they will refer me and have the tests done but if i am PG and i dont have a MC then hopefully it will be becoz of the progesterone !!! Anyway wasabi if your temp isnt rising enough you need to see the doc as you may havea problem.

Yellow you go for it this month, i dont always think the docs know best though, i think temping realy helps as at least you have a good idea if Af is going to arrive and you can be sure by temping and doing OPKS as to whether you have Ovulated or if there is a potential problem as it has been with me.

Flintski the only thing i can think is that you have Ovulated later then you thought. ahve you done another test yet may be worth doing another sometimes people dont always get the rise in HCG that early and need to be late before they get a BFP.

Hi all - how are you?

yellow - so glad to hear GP visit was positive. As iggy says, 18 weeks isn't so long to wait. Hopefully knowledge that you've got the appointment coming up will relax you and mean you get PG before hand. But if not, at least you know you will get seen by people who can help.

flintski - sorry about BFN. But if no AF yet...don't write the month off completely...

wasabi - welcome back from your trip. Excellent attempt on the BD front. Fingers crossed for you.

yellow - thanks for asking how I am. According to my dates, I'll be 7 weeks on Saturday but I think it's more like 6 weeks tomorrow. So very early days, but delighted I'm still pregnant! In terms of symptoms, I'm totally knackered and keep having to have day time naps. My boobs are massive and continue to feel tender (although this comes in waves) and I've been quite an irritable little madam. The past couple of days I felt a bit quesy but nothing I would call morning sickness. My scan is on Monday. I'm so nervous about it as the only time I've had scans in the past, it's not been good news. I keep telling myself I'm really early and if there is no heart beat it doesn't mean it's necessarily all over. But... In the main, I'm trying to be positive about this pregnancy (and most of the time I feel positive about it) but I'm trying to keep a check on my emotions as I know only too well that it's still very precarious and uncertain.

A quick bit of advice - I've been trying to stay active and have been going swimming two or three times a week. I went last night and woke up this morning with quite strong cramps. (I was doing breast stroke if that makes any kind of difference?). Should I lay off the swimming for a few days?

p.s - forgot to add, interesting stuff on low progesterone ray. Will be interesting to see if it makes a difference for you.

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Ray - Very interesting. I'm having 22 day progesterone tests next cycle as part of the 'take as much blood from Funtime as possible' crusade . The nurse asked me to have a think about whether I'd be willing to give Clomid a go if they're low or borderline so you're obviously you're the lady to ask about such things!

Warning Ladies - too much bd'ing is bad for your dp's sperm! Apparently 'bonking like rabbits at ov. time' to use my nurse's phrase can upset, not the qualtity, but the quality. The poor little sperm don't swim as well, so if you ov. later than you expected the poor little mites might not make it.

Dh is taking this news on board and has asked if he can have a little more rest next month .

My GP rang today to say uch won't take fertility referrals from GP's if you have bmi over 35. Grrr. Understand they won't do certain treatments if too overweight but surely they should do investigations to see whether blocked tubes etc.

Anyway GP said she'd refer me to my local hospital instead which is also a major teaching hospital so should be okay and they have no such limitations on BMI.

Ray - what you say is interesting, as I get night sweats in the run up to AF.

Does your book indicate how early a miscarriage would happen if it is down to low progesterone ? I've had one, possibly two CPs. My major mc was at 11+5, but very natural and sudden - I did have a teeny brown bleed just before 8 weeks and am wondering if that is when bean died ...

Good to hear from you Queenie

Yellow - tis a pain about the BMI thing Have you thought about doing what I'm doing - ie a few weeks of a really strict diet like Cambridge to bring your weight down. For most people (although sadly not my metabolism), they can lose around a stone in the first month, and lots of people have fallen PG because the diet is so rich in all the vits and minerals your body needs.

I had a BMI of 34 when I saw my MW for booking in at 8 weeks - next time, I want to start out with a BMI of under 30 ideally. Not entirely sure if that will happen though, as that goal is 17 pounds away ....

yellow - how frustrating for you. but agree with jools that it may be worth trying to lose a bit of weight in the next couple of weeks to bring the bmi down, AND that that might help getting PG too?

jools - you sound like you've done so well on the weight loss! How are things with you and your DH?

Hi queenie and jools - I think it would take a bit more than a few weeks to lose the weight I need to lose!

I don't really fancy one of the cambridge diet type things but have decided that as of next week I am going to go for an hour long walk every day.

Jools - are you hungry the whole time? If not how long did it take to stop you being hungry?

Yellow - the beauty of the Cambridge Diet is that it puts you in a state called Ketosis, where basically you have used up all your energy stores in your bloodstream and a chemical process takes place to make your body start burning real fat pretty fast.

Once that process kicks in (after around 3 days), then you simply don't feel hungry at all. You have to drink a lot of water, in order to pee out the fat / toxins from your body. It works really well for 99% of people. Unfortunately, I have a resistant metabolism, but most people have an average weight loss of one stone in the first month and around 3 pounds per week after that.

Being in Ketosis is not recommended when PG, so they do advise you keep an eye on your cycle and make a habit of testing early so you can start eating carbohydrates again. However, I've heard of lots of people who don't even realise they are PG until around 8 weeks and they have all been fine.

Queenie - things are improving slowly. We haven't made much progress in the BD department, but I'm trying to just completely ignore that for now and focus on the weight loss. Hopefully not mentioning TTC at all for a few weeks will alleviate the pressure and then I can seduce him with my new slimmer body I've been reading my old antenatal thread and the ladies there (I would have been 31 weeks today ) are seem to be suffering with large bumps and weight / pressure on joints, so that is the incentive I need to be a bit lighter before I put it all back on again as bump - I know my back gets flaky when I am heavier, so if I can lose 2 stone, that means I can afford to put on some baby weight without suffering too much in the final weeks.

I'm still very up and down - it seems that my hormones are all over the place just before and during AF - far worse than before the MC. I used to just get irritable - now I get paraniod, irrational and very very weepy !

Yellow - they say that losing 10% of your bodyweight is a fantastic goal and can bring absolutely enormous health benefits.

Thanks jools - I am inspired. I know that my dh will go mad if I try anything he considers odd like the cambridge diet (I am not saying you are odd) because he already thinks I opbsess about ttc and about weight. I lost 3 stone i 6 months a few years ago though through walking every day and cutting out bread and potatoes (but not pasta and rice) and am going to start that again - am going to invest in good pair of headphones and some talking books and go for a walk while listening to books at the same time so I don't feel the time is wasted.
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yellow walking is ace for losing a bit and just getting you generally feeling better - I got my dog just over 2 years ago - and because I have to walk him every morning and evening - I started getting fitter and toning up a bit.

Not saying you should get a dog but if you walk everyday it is good. I am walking to work at the mo as well as the weather is lovely. Is a good time to start being more active xx

ps - I have lost weight through exercise, cutting down alcohol (well completely at the mo!) - no fancy diets at all... Just the fact that I am out doing something means I am not eating. My BMI went back to 'healthy' in Jan - and as you know I got PG in Feb

have just done some research - I would need to lose 3 stone to be bmi 30

sorry - meant to say 3 stone to be bmi 35

yellow don't obsess over numbers - the most important thing is how healthy / fit you feel xx

Yellow walking is a great way to loose weight and keep you fit and healthy, I also have a dog and have to walk him every day no excuses but always feel better for it.

I had 21 day blood test today so shall hopefully see next week if all is normal. 7 days to go until AF no symptoms yet. I hate to last 7 days as I cannot wait to find out if the BD has worked, not sure we BD as much as we should have (hmm)

I forgot to say that when I went to docs this time she looked at results from blood test I had a few months ago at docs to see whether I was pregnant (I wasn't but went because had very achey boobs for weeks - you might remember). Don;t know what day of cycle it was taken but results were LH 6.4 and FSH 3.1. Anyone know what this means - doc said it was fine and suggested no pcos probelms.

I'm not a dog person but I do like walking.
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Jools if you have Low progesterone it is unlikely that you will get Pg at all as it softens the womb lining for the egg to inbed.
It hasnt been proven that progesterone causes Miscarriages but my BF had 4 Mc and then was given progesterone with the next 2 Pg and carried to term and has 2 girls. I personally think it is possible to have enough to help it inbed alittle and then it Miscarrys because of this and as i have had 3mc all at 5-6 weeks this could possibly be the prob.

also i only ever fall when i am on clomid and i think this is becoz clomid raises the progesterone slightly which means it can inbed but doesnt give me enough to keep it in there. Did that make any sense.

The best way to tell is if you buy the book 'taking charge of your fertility' and follow the guidelines in there it is such a good book.

Had another high temp this morn !!! 98.9 which is .8 degrees higher than at 6DPO so hopefully good sign.

Hi Queenie - swimming really shouldn't really have any sort of detrimental effect on a pregnancy - even a little one. I understand your concern with the cramping but as far as I am aware the two events are most likely to be unrelated. Cramping is pretty common in the early days - your bean is making itself comfy!

If you want to knock it on the head for a few days though I can totally empathise. I remember being 6 weeks with my ds and going to a Pilates class. That night I had a slight bleed - bright red,and was convinced it was the class. Maybe it was maybe it wasn't. I didn't do another one though - ironically I stuck to swimming after that which I really enjoyed actually, especially when I was big.

Interesting notes on low progesterone. I just hope any treatments work for you Ray. Thing is I wouldn;'t be eligable for any of these tests unless I have at least one other mc which, frankly, is a possibility that I'm not prepared to entertain at the moment.

Well done to all those losing weight. Jools even with your metabolism you sound like you're doing well. After my ds was born I put on a stone (yes, afterwards - it was all those biscuits when I was bfing) and I did a very low carb, zero sugar diet to shift it. It worked pretty fast but I noticed that the weight came off in clumps - I'd lose nothing for 2 weeks and then would lose a few pounds almost overnight. Its why you shouldn't weight yourself everyday - its something to do with fat cells and the way they retain their mass or density or something.

I could probably do with losing some but I'm not that fussed to be honest. We chucked out our scales a few months ago as they left a rusty mark on the bathroom floor so I've no idea what I weigh. It's about the same or slightly less than before we had ds though - I still wear some of my clothes from that time. I don't do any proper exercise now thought which is crap - I used to be a gym and swim bunny. I do walk a lot though with ds mainly - possibly my saving grace. We live pretty centrally so most places are walkable.

I'm waffling. I really have very little to say from my side. Am 5 or 6 days post ov (to the best of my knowledge). No symptoms really apart from sense of smell being high but it was like that before ov as well. Have had a little cramping but again, not an unknown occurence. I was so determined that it was going to happen this cycle and that this one wouild be for keeps. Have now got to start coming to terms with the fact that it might not happen.

I've still not ovulated - think I will in next few days. We have so far had sex with pre-seed on cd 9/12/14/16/17/19/20.

For any of the overweight women here, can I recommend this book:

www.amazon.co.uk/Big-Beautiful-Pregnant-Comforting-Expecting/dp/1569243190

I'm not the author I promise, but have just received it from amazon and read it last night and it is so good and non patronising. it is very american but still helpful.

Jools on low Progesterone, my sister had it and suffered one MC then had two healthy pregnancies but had to inject herself throughout them and had her levels checked frequently. It is my understanding that low PG is more of a problem once you have actually concieved to maintain it rather than getting pregnant (but I am obviously not an expert!) If you are concerned you could ask for your levels to be checked out.

Queenie, I had quite a few funny cramping twinges in eary pregnancy with my DS and DD and think it was just bean burrowing. I excercised through both pregancy (when I was not being sick or to big to move) and I am sure it helped to recover after births, you need all energy you can get when little ones arrive!

Hope all are well, 6 days of waiting now for me, feeling really knackered today with slight headache, but that might be down to DD 5.50am wake up call!!

Now I really should get out and enjoy the sunshine beofre the school run!

day 49- bfn- no af. what to do?
have started clomid again and am seeing the specialist on 8/4/09

Well bugger me with a wet kipper, I've got a BFP !

Did the test this morning, then ds wanted to come into our bed for a story before breakfast and I completely forgot about it, having been convinced that my symptoms were phantom again. I remembered after half an hour and swore in a very bad parent way when I saw a line. Convinced that it must be an evaporation line I managed to squeeze out a bit more wee , read it within the proper time and it was definitely there.

Well, it's survived lots of allotment digging and having to carry ds in a fireman's lift to the car after a grade-A tantrum the other day to get to this stage so fingers crossed that this one will stick.

Sorry to hear that your cycle is being so horrible hopefor and I hope that the specialist can help.

funtime - My Irish DP is celebrating the first Irish Grand Slam victory (rugby) since 1948 and since I've got EWCM on CD 7 , I'm going with it in the hope of great things, but will raise a large glass of Red Nose Red wine to you and your BIG FAT BFP YAYYYYYYYYYYYY