Assisted conception and the bits inbetween Part Two!.......

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Hi everyone.
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Hi Guys
Thanks for the welcome and sorry to hear about the BFNs

Hoping for good news after your scans NPA and londonlottie.

KC11 -- It's wonderful that your boss is so understanding and I'm sure your DH has his reasons for thinking it better to wait 6mo. Having said that...6mo????

I'm feeling a bit down after a lunch with DHs extended family. One of his cousins is 5mo preg after 5 rounds of IVI with 3 mo of Gonal. The reason talking with her has made a little blue is she had follicles at 24mm and her lining was up passed 10mm when they did the IVI.

My biggest follicle was about 19 and my lining was only 6.3 I know that everyone is different and you can't compare yourself to anyone else...but damn...she had good numbers and mine suck I'm trying so hard to be positive but having a hard time of it. And I know that even if I get a BFP I'm going to be stressed that whatever does work won't last...

God, depressing aren't I? Can I blame the hormones?

KC11 6 months seems crazy at this point, but husbands think about things differently than us. He's probably trying to protect you and your mental state, because you are so focused on ttc he may worry you are wearing yourself down. My guess is (based on my DH, so I may be completely off) that once you get over this worst part of disappointment and bounce back - he'll be more apt to try again. He also may just not understand your point of view, how trying again may give you more hope and help heal the disappointment. Men process these events differently than we do. Not wrong - just different, after all - if you have a good man - he's most likely trying to look after you!

Although I really wish men knew how much we need to be held, hugged, comforted, and pampered when we get knocked down. Sometimes it just takes time to cry and be held before we can recover and gain the strength to go out and do it all over again.

Right now, just focus on what you need to do to get through the next couple of days... then talk to him about the next step. (((KC))) huge hugs!

Very interested in the tips for good egg production even though it is the bit I have no control over! My sister has a very low BMI so that is the bit where it could all fall apart, if there are few or poor quality eggs. It seems so unfair that we have to wait so long to see.

Has anyone's clinic given firm figures comparing the success of using fresh and frozen sperm for fertilisation? Intially we thought that we would be able to use fresh if I signed a disclaimer but now they are dragging their feet over it.

Morning everyone - many thanks for your response yesterday.

Hi lottie thank you for the advice yesterday - I cut and pasted your info to her. She did ovulate early. They tried their best to retrieve the situation. She has Arne Weneger as her consultant and are really happy to use them again and both really like him; she is going through IVF with him again in June.

Im sorry to hear your faith in Guys isn't as great. Im glad you got a hold of Jon, he is the very one to give you peace of mind.

Fingers and toes crossed for you.

ps I have had the AMH test you spoke of - had this 5 weeks ago at my hospital (they have just started to offer it) and Im still waiting for the results!! I was thrilled to bits when I was offered it but looking forward I am going to have to prepare myself for the outcome.

Best wishes x

My scan is at 2pm tomorrow LL - best of luck for you tomorrow morning! I had a quick look at your link to follicle tests and decided that I'd rather not send myself into blind panic just yet, I'll wait until after I talk to the Doctor tomorrow for that!

I'd been trying to stick with Zita West's tips for growing eggs, and have even been drinking cappuccinos (I am really not fond of milk, so that was real commitment!). I still have a faint hope that maybe good things will have happened since Tuesday, but realistically I think this cycle is over for me, and so I need to get an idea of whether my failure to respond to the drugs is a cause for real concern, or just one of those things. I'm also seeing my acupuncturist this evening, and will have a chat to her about all this.

Those of you who go to Norway, is it simply because it's cheaper (even when you factor in airfares, accommodation etc)? Or do they have excellent results? I'm curious.

Hi gilly and kc11, how are you feeling today? Have been thinking about you, I hope things are getting easier over time and that you have some supportive friends and family who can help you with this.

Good luck with your scans notpricessanne and lottie!! afc of 12 is pretty good lottie, I have 9 and the clinic said that's ok if not great. However I have an amh of 11, which apparently is too low, but they think that they can sort it by giving me a higher dose of drugs - we'll see if they're right.
This norway clinic sounds really good, I just imagine the constant travelling to be a pain, or do you just take off a few weeks and stay there for the duration?

I will have my first ivf related appointment next tuesday, dummy et and hycosy. I finally feel like the whole thing is kicking off now, have also managed to convince mil to come and help with dd for a week after the et. so all I have to do now is sort out work...

That sounds good news Lottie have everything crossed for you.

Roses - beautiful!...and why not treat yourself? What colour are they? I LOVE white roses.

Im out this month - AF arrived today, a day early, pah! Had a brand new, sparkly Clearblue digital as well at the ready for tomorrow. Clomid round #3 .

Have a great w/e!

Moving to Zurich??? I think I have missed all this - good luck with that!

Yep, me too nothing like taking a CB digi test to bring on AF that bit quicker ah well, there is always next month...

In this current climate, I think they are all twiddling their thumbs!!

Good luck with the rental... just be careful who you have renting (my place was trashed).

Will you be able to use your course skills over there or do you think language will be a barrier?

Hi all, and hope you're feeling a bit better KC and Gilly.

Lottie, I know exactly the roses you mean, I was admiring them at Borough Market this time last week! Good luck for the EC next week. And planning for the move!

My scan still just showed the two follicles, and the endometrium was only 6.1mm, so the cycle is officially over for me. The doctor said that my FSH level (10.1) is at the high end for my age (37) and so I'd been started on the highest dosage of Gonal F they use for the long protocol, but obviously my ovaries have been unresponsive. So for cycle 2 they will use the short protocol, which apparently works well for women in my position. But I need to wait until June now. The doctor also told me, by the by, that my ovaries are smaller than average. Excellent.

I'm a bit annoyed that I only found out about being on the highest dose, and the reasons for it now, rather than this being explained at the outset. I would rather not discover this as an unpleasant surprise during a cycle! They did tell me the FSH result I had at the outset, but simply said that this was within the normal range, when that's not entirely accurate. But then I'm just annoyed generally I guess.

I'm taking the weekend off, and then a proper health kick starts on Monday, there's a stray half a stone that I could do with losing and after 2 week of resting I am a bit stir crazy!

Hi just popped by to say bad luck to those whose IVFs have not been successful this time and fingers crossed for next week lottie. It must be doubly tough with the new Mr LondonLottie over in ?Zurich? wasn't it.

Life with me is fine, up in Yorkshire again this weekend so a bit of spare time for once. Chinese Doc going well and this cycle for the first time in 2 years my EWCM was actually in time with my ovulation AND my post-OV temp is higher - which is something we are aiming for. Still a long long way to go and it is a real lifestyle and diet changing process but I thought you guys might be interested to hear that changes have been occurring.

Love and hugs and best wishes to all.

My mum gave me an article from a sunday colour supplement about secondary infertitliy. anyone else read it?

NPA - so sorry to hear your news, I was hoping for some good news to give us all some additional hope. Wine? Tea? Chocolate? or a nice run?

Glad to know about the "short cycle" - just in case I may need it.

Welcome Amelied. Sorry you got AF - hope it's third time lucky for you with the Clomid. Really sorry for your friend in Norway, she must be devastated. Is there anything they can do to prevent her ovulating early next cycle?
Lottie - sorry you're feeling so anxious, but completely with you there - I too googled AFC count and found the same site and now I'm worried that my count (29) means I'll get OHSS and/or have poor quality eggs. I wasn't sure whether the table referred to total for both ovaries or total for one ovary though. Don't beat yourself up about the health kick, you have a lot on your mind. Lol at attractive Arnie - the girls on my clinic's FF thread are always drooling over my consultant. I'm sure you'll find a job in Zurich, my ex got sent there a lot with work and he didn't speak any German. Good luck for your next scan on Monday.
NPA - so sorry you had to abandon your cycle, but great that there is something else they can try. I would have thought that you would get a reasonable refund. At my clinic they charge £100 per day for monitoring if cycle cancelled before EC.
KC and Gilly - how are you doing?
Dup - Good luck Tuesday. Can you just tell work that you're having a gynae operation and it depends on your cycle so they can't be exact on dates?
HeidiS - Try not to worry about your scan. They need to see follicles at 1.8cm to give the trigger. Some women ovulate at that size and others go way over 2cm - I had 8 monitored cycles and sometimes got my surge the day after having a 1.7 on a scan and another time went to 2.4 with no surge and had to be triggered with hcg. They like womb lining to be 8mm on day of IUI but you will easily go passed that from 6.3 - I once went from 5.3 to 8.7 in one day.
NV - Nice to hear from you. Glad the TCM is working for you. What was the article your mum gave you?
Beehive - IUI is less successful with frozen sperm but I don't think it matters for IVF. I'm using donor (always frozen) and doctor told me would almost definitely be IVF not ICSI because the sperm quality from donors is always so good.
Pinkie - Good luck for your scan tomorrow.

I had my dr scan on Thursday. Had some borderline follies (1.1cm & 1.0) which they thought might cause my oestrogen level to be too high, but was fine so started Gonal-F that night. Very easy to inject - much better than the buserelin, which I'm still struggling with a little - any tips on how to make it easier to pierce the skin? Next scan on Monday (day-5 stims). What should I expect to see then in terms of follie number and size and womb lining? Anyone know what is 'normal'? I am feeling frustrated with my clinic today though, because they've invoiced me for EC including general anaesthetic. My consultant said they preferred not to give general, but everyone currently on the FF site for the clinic has had it. I had been convinced to go that route too now that I have someone to be with me - apparently you can 'wriggle' if you only have sedation reducing number of eggs they can collect, but I'm as I haven't discussed having a GA since my initial appt and you'd think they would have said something if they've changed their advice. It also costs £200 more and the clinic charges a fortune for paying by credit card, so just as well I transferred enough into my current account.

Hi everyone else. Have pasted the list. It needs updating but didn't want to change others' details.

Dharma - ttc#2 BFP!!
Gillydaffodil ? ttc#1 waiting to test Friday
Duplomania - ttc#2 starting DR ~ 1st May
Pinkie08 ttc#2 BFP
NappyValley - taking a break and trying TCM before attempting last IVF cycle at end of summer.
Issy - ttc#1 started stims 16th, EC ~ 29th
KC11 - ttc#1 1st IVF cycle - Embryo transfer 2 April
NotPrincessAnne ttc#1 started stimming 8 April, EC - 22nd
Islegrin - ttc#1 3rd IUI around April 25

Sorry to hear about your af amelie, hopefully it will work this month.
And poor NPA, you must be so frustrated!! Good to hear that your drs know what to do next time, I think the first attempt is often a bit a of a trial run where they have to find out how you react to the drugs. Really sorry though!
That's the danger of google lottie, I constantly drive myself crazy with information I found on some website. I convinced myself I had crap eggs because of my afc and lowish amh, but my dr thinks with enough drugs it won't be a problem. I guess we have to trust our clinics with these things, after all they are doing this all the time - but easier said than done..Good luck for Monday anyway!
Sounds like the TCM is working for you nappy, I just read this book from this woman who got pregnant naturally with TCM after 2 failed ivf circles so who knows.
Good luck with you scan issy, is this your first ivf cycle? At my clinic they also do general anaest for EC.

No news on my side, have decided to really start the healthy living thing on monday. also earlier bedtimes, always staying up too late and too little sleep can't be helpful. Good friend of mine told me she was pregnant today. I really hope this ivf cycle works then we could have our babies close together but if it doesn't I will be even more gutted.
No pressure then...