I think I’ve lost the plot….

[Qwerty93]

I’m talking to chat GPT and it’s convincing me that a negative at 10dpo is normal. And means if I implanted at 9dpo, it wouldn’t show on a sensitive test 11dpo and if I implanted 10dpo it wouldn’t show until 11dpo…

I’m literally talking to it like I’m best mates!

Can someone please who tracked ovulation confirm they implanted day 10, as they only got positives day 11/12 onwards and negative prior.

Just test when your period is due, stop driving yourself crazy for no reason.

I mean technically it is correct. If you implanted at 9dpo it's possible it could take until 10dpo to show. If you implant on 10dpo it's possible it could take until 11dpo to show.

It's also possible for a very very sensitive test to show on the same day you implant. Realistically can you test negative on 10dpo and it go on to test positive later, yes. Is it also less likely to do so after the 10dpo negative, also yes.

ChatGPT is a large language model that is programmed to get users to continue talking to it so will sometimes tell you what you want to hear/be flattering/optimistic. It's telling you facts but in a way to keep you hopeful, as you want to remain hopeful.

If you want to use AI to track cycles, log test results etc then you can do so, but you should tell it you want it to be brutally honest at all times, and not be overly optimistic.

I've used it before to ask questions but told it to be strictly factual, don't talk as though a friend, and don't give hope where it isn't warranted. As such, if I tell it I have had a negative at 11dpo it will move to ask me to log my next period and asks which symptoms of the cycle i want it to remember for the next etc. It does this because it will assume statistically the chance of pregnancy is now extremely low (assuming my ovulation date is confirmed).

AI can be a useful tracking tool, same as apps such as Flo etc. But confiding to it, and chatting like a friend will lead it to give you hope due to small statistical outliers. If you want that comfort you can do so, but I'm not sure it's healthy. Ask it to be brutally honest and speak to you whilst giving references for it's assumptions etc. You'll have an entirely different experience.

Honestly, don't test til the day your period is due. I didn't even buy a test til that day, so I wasn't tempted.

Nobody can really confirm what day they implanted. Also everyone's levels of HCG will be slightly different..

You are going to lose the plot if you obsess over every single thing - especially talking to chat GPT. My advice is test when you are due / late. Don't allow you're to test sooner because you will constantly be wondering what if it's positive tomorrow.

You need to.mjnd yourself - i know its difficult.

ChatGPT is just a next level predictive text machine. It’s isn’t intelligent, not medically trained and it certainly isn’t your friend.

@Qwerty93 you've been posting quite a bit, please try to chill out a bit and do as advised - test on Monday when you said your period is due.

I know. I’m quite an anxious person! Understatement of the year 🤣. So I’ll just like have word vomit in my head- and I’m just frantically posting on here to control it. (Apologies for all you sane women trying to live your life and I’m posting non stop rubbish essentially!)

I saw a graph from study on implantation and it showed most common day of implantation was 9dpo.
Closely followed by 10dpo then 8 then 7 I think.

I'm an obsessive tester. I get it

Human brain is fascinating. There's no logic reason to test early, but majority still do.

Testing early doesn't speed up the pregnancy process, or the preparations for pregnancy, child rearing etc.

Even if you test at 10DPO, you're still going to test again at 14DPO regardless of it's positive or negative.

So you know the people who implant in 10dpo when do they get their positive on a sensitive test with enough hcg? Do you reckon 11dpo or 12dpo?

also, I also thought this… if 9dpo is the most common… how come SO many positive 7/8/9dpo

Well the logic is you will know sooner and the 2 week wait will be shorter if you test positive earlier as that wait is super stressful to some.

For me, it would relax me until day 14!

she says…🤣

Please step away from the tests. Do you know when your period is due? If your period is late, then test. At this point, it is psychological torture. Please don't do this to yourself.

@Qwerty93

Well although the sensitive cheapies say 5miu, I think they can show a hint before in my experience. I saw one post where someone said she knew of bloods showing less than 5 and it had shown on a test. But it would be barely visable.

Personally, if I don't have decent, visable by eye lines by 9dpo then it's ended in chemical or miscarriage every time, so a line after 10dpo is a worrying thing for me.

@Qwerty93 oh and I saw a Reddit thread about why so many early + when average is 9dpo and the general consensus was something like we are less likely to post negatives so we aren't getting the full picture of everyone's 9/10dpo tests but I still don't really understand it.

Oh maybe I’m looking at the incorrect sensitive tests… the two I tried were 10miu.

eye lines at 9dpo would be implantation day 7/8 right?

I’m still hoping for implantation day 9/10 to show. I would say ill wait until Monday but I know I CANT 😫.

my first pregnancy I already knew by 9dpo!

@Qwerty93 the one step cheap strips are 5miu. I'm pretty sure you can see the start of something within a day of implantation, just from things I've read.

It would take some squinting to see it though 😂

I know I had bloods taken that showed HCG of 8 and I had seen my first very faint lines 3 days prior on a test that said it picked up from 10.

The pregnancy did not have a happy ending though.

We see so many people posting about early positives because we are in online communities where people are actively obsessively trying - we are the people buying these tests that show the earliest, and the people testing from 6dpo. People will post their early positives far more than their early negatives.

A woman who is casually trying, or not trying at all, is likely to test for the first time on or after her missed period, with any old test from the nearest shop. There is then no way to know would she have tested positive on 7/8/9dpo.

I truly envy those women. But OP, whilst most of us here are unlikely to be able to dial it back and become them entirely, we don't have to be completely obsessive. If you are pregnant, you'll get a positive by day 14.

Sometimes it really does hurt more to stare at early lines and wonder.

My friend is having treatment for recurrent miscarriage. Her ovulation is tracked with scans and her consultant says that if she gets a negative on 10DPO to stop her meds until the next cycle. On that basis, if you definitely know when you ovulated I wouldn't hold out much hope beyond 10DPO. But realistically unless you're being tracked medically (not just going odd and app) you don't know for sure when you ovulated and therefore you could still get a positive if you ovulated or implanted later than you think.

Oh wow. I didn’t realise they were that strict. I assume they’re not wanting up delay get period and get things going. But still, they must be confident that a 10dpo implantation isn’t viable.

I measured my ovulation with opk’s.

How Long have you been trying op

Too many people think the prefect pregnancy starts with a test at 8po and it’s absolutely ridiculous. I would wait until my period is late to even consider buying a test.

You and so many other women are tying themselves in knots and it won’t be doing any help with falling pregnant.

Correct it won't help you fall pregnant to 'tie yourself in knots' but it also doesn't actually hurt. Wanting a baby desperately, thinking about it a lot and testing early etc is medically neutral.

We don't get infertility as a result of wanting it too much.

I think stopping going to chat gpt for medical advice would be the takeaway point here.