Can anyone help with who the father is likely to be based on these dates please?

[butterflystar]

1st January, unprotected sex, ejaculation, Morning After Pill. Period comes but when it does is much darker and thicker than usual, sorry TMI.

2nd February, brief unprotected sex, no ejaculation, Morning After Pill. Period comes and is a normal period.

18th February go to Dr over feeling dizzy - Dr find low levels of HCG. Monitored for a couple of weeks, HCG levels decline. No pregnancy.

I don't know what the HCG levels were from the blood tests, but can anyone tell me which incident of unprotected sex is most likely to have caused this?

Thank you.

Sorry are you pregnant or not? I have no idea, they both seem unlikely but I wouldn’t want to guess

I'm not pregnant now but was told on 18th February that I was.

But the pregnancy did not continue.

It's important to me to work out which incident the pregnancy came from.

I Understand but just seems unlikely both times you had emergency contraceptive pill although I know they are not 100%- did you take them both the day after sex or was there a delay either time? I would be inclined to think 2nd February because the timing seems right for low levels of HCG but because of implantation times etc I don’t think you will be able to know for sure?

Could you have become pregnant prior to 1 Jan? Seems unlikely you would be that sick from morning sickness between 2nd and 18 feb.

A quick google shows raised HCG levels can occur without pregnancy. Is that all the pregnancy finding was based on?

Definitely not pregnant before 1st Jan.

I don't know where I was in my cycle on either occasion.

The Doctor said that the HCG levels indicated pregnancy on 18th February, they have been declining as time goes on and now confirmed no pregnancy.

I'm assuming it's some kind of chemical pregnancy/early miscarriage from one of the two incidents, but I don't know which one.

iwasjustabout it would be great if HCG levels were raised for a reason other than pregnancy, but the Doctor says the fact that they were raised, and then declined back to normal levels indicates pregnancy.

Especially as there have been two incidents of unprotected sex.

Did you ever do a preg test ? If so, which brand ? Only asking because that will tell us the levels were enough to be read on certain makes of tests

Did the doctor know you had the morning after pill on both occasions

Doctor told me test a week after blood test and they were negative at that point, I can't remember the brand.

Yes, Dr knew about MAP.

Sorry, this is probably a confusing thread.

One of these incidents was non-consensual and I'm trying to get the answer to this straight in my head so I can talk to my rape counsellor about it.

I feel very strongly that I need to know if this was part of the assault, or DP. I just don't know how to work it out.

Oh goodness, OP, terribly sorry my lovely.
I don’t know for sure, but I hope you find the answers and support that you need and deserve. My best wishes to you x

If it was from the 1st of jan, you’d have been around 9 weeks pregnant on the 18th Feb.

If it were the 2nd of Feb then you’d only just about be 4 weeks on the 18th (they always add 2 weeks!) which is still pretty early to test. Just look at the amount of threads on here where people aren’t sure if they have a line the day their periods are due (which would typically be 4 weeks)

Obviously I’m no expert and I don’t know if you could ever get an answer for sure, but I would think that 1st Jan is the more likely contended (particularly due to the fact that he ejaculated)

I don’t know if this is the answer you want, sending my love to you at this difficult time xx

Thanks both x

Oh OP, so sorry, this is a horrible situation. I can completely understand why you want to know. I hope your counsellor can help you find some closure.

I'm not an expert, just a TTC nerd. Were either of your periods late? When were they, compared to the sex?

If your second period ended just before 18th February, I'd say it's possible that it was incident 2 and the doctor picked up some residual HCG from an early loss (i.e. chemical pregnancy). Otherwise, I'd guess probably incident 1.

Did the doctor give you the exact levels, or just tell you that they were consistent with pregnancy?

I so hope you're able to find some resolution to all this. What a horrible situation. Please don't feel the need to respond to me if these questions are intrusive.

Thanks Freias, I don't have the exact HCG levels, I wonder if it would be worth me asking for them.

Periods were around the usual time. The period after the first one was weird, sorry, TMI very brown which is totally unusual. But if that was a 'miscarriage' as such (caused by the MAP? Can it work like that) then would the HCG still be there a month later?

I don’t think the hormones would still be high enough from the first time to be picked up a month after the bleed, that’s why I believed it was the second time. Obviously these are just opinions xx

Is it possible that the period after the first incident was implantation (brown blood) and that the period after the second MAP was the pregnancy from the first incident being passed?

Because I can't work out how HCG levels would be elevated from the second incident to the point that they were detectable 2 weeks after a chemical pregnancy.

I am no expert on this stuff, though.

Implantation bleeding is lighter pink or light brown and not thick or heavy (like you said in your first post) so I already assumed it wasn’t this. Most people don’t even notice or have implantation bleeding, it’s only streaky and light appearing only really when you wipe. It’s very rarely heavy xx

Thanks RLOU.

I'm still really confused, I was dizzy and really unwell for several weeks before going to the Dr, so before the second incident. That was what took me there.

I had a dizzy and vomiting episode when I was maybe two days after conception (implantation?) and felt very sick from the day before my period was due so morning sickness can kick in very early.

I'm sorry to hear about your terrible experience, hope the counselling helps

I’m not really sure sickness would set in within 3 weeks - a month of conception taking place, implantation itself usually doesn’t even take place until 10 days after the intercourse and then you would get a positive test after implantation. That’s what made me and a PP think the second time x obviously none of us know for sure x did you ask the doctor for this off the record opinion ? Xx