TCOYF - follow on chart spotters thread

[MrsMcJnr]

Geek - how embarrassed am I? talk about teaching your Granny to suck eggs! so sorry. Does that mean though that you can solve my problem? I am trying to move my software to another computer without losing my past cycles, how can I move them?

Temp dropped by .3 this morning

3 Cats poor thing you sounds so ill. How difficult at such a fun time of year. Try adcortyl from the Pharmacy counter that has worked for mouth ulcers for me in the past.
Sorry about BFN has AF arrived?

We3cats - Direct your attention to this little link When you feel the urge to test!!!

xcharlotte - when I read all about your year, I didn't think "wow, what is she doing with him" I thought "wow, what a lucky bloke he is, for her to stick by him!" and "she deserves some happiness after all that, I hope she gets her BFP soon!" No one should judge you for staying with him. You have to make decisions based on how you feel. I can't imagine how hard all this has been for you, and to soldier on just makes me think how strong you are!! Here's to 2007 that will make 2006 pale in significance!!!!

Right, I'm off to nosy at all your pretty charts

Hi ladies

Not been on much for a while but am back now (but only in the evenings)

Lost my thermometer for a few days but have found it now. Am due to ov this week so hoping to get lots of naughty sex in but OH has gone out and is in a mood due to work being busy.

xmassy - what a year for you hun, big hug from me. I know what you mean about 'am i doing the right thing' moments, sometimes i wonder if all this heartache is worth it and weather it is all a sign that i should not have children, but thats on very low days.

How close to the date was the wedding cancelled? I think you are an amazing person to get through something like that but i guess you have to and you must really love your Oh to make a go of it.

Off to chart spot now.

3 cats sorry to hear you have been poorly. xx

Thanks Natty

I wish it were as straightforward as 'I must really love him to stay...'. Sometimes I really do wonder if I've done the right thing - I keep reminding myself that I made the commitment to marry him when he proposed, and it feels a bit churlish for me to end the whole relationship just because he got cold feet at the time. Sort of like biting my nose off to spite my face. He's trying to work through his commitment problems, in fact our TTC is one way of us getting past the whole M thing now... it's given us a different way to focus on our commitment to each other. My non-negotiable after everything happened was that if he wasn't prepared to start TTC almost immediately with me, then I would walk away. I am in the process of buying another property, just in case things don't work out, which will be an investment flat if things (hopefully!) do. In other words, I realised what the bottom line was for me - and if he wasn't prepared to play ball with that, then I was going to leave. That is still how I feel.

Phew - that makes me sound tough!

Been chart-spotting... geek & sparklytreeangel... loads of BDing for you!! You go girls!

Quick question for other chart-spotters. I've noticed on the software for this cycle, my ovulation seems to have occurred outside of my fertile section of the graph. How can this be??! And when I click on 'fertility planner' it says that if I BD'd tonight (supposed OV night), then I'd have 'Best' chances, although it's taken place in my 'Infertile' period. How can that be?/!!

Oh and Natty - brace yourself - he called it off officially with 2 days to go.

Ouch.

No time to chart spot now but I will come back later. Mine is looking odd, no pre OV dip as usual and a dip back to the line today very odd. 3 Bding sessions pre OV so let's hope that I'm in with a chance.

Xmassy, what an amazing woman you are and I hope that bloke of yours has a serious word with himself. I have friends and he called off their wedding 6 weeks beforehand, it was awful but they stayed together and got married 2 years later and now have a son. He can hardly forgive himself for what he did and realises what he nearly lost. I hope you get your baby very soon.

Hello to you all and hope you feel better soon 3cats xxxx

I see what you mean MrsMcClaus, your temps do look a bit odd. But I guess you can't argue with TWO positive OPKs, and as you say, being ill must confuse the temps. Hope you feel better soon. I've been thinking that I'm coming down with a cold on and off for weeks, but I think it's just being tired and run down rather than an actual virus, so hopefully having next week off will sort me out!

XmassyCharlotte, I think your chart is confused because of the dip in your CM on CD16, which made it think you were coming to the end of the fertile patch, but your OPK contradicted that. MrsMcClaus will probably tell me off for this but I bet if you tried adjusting your CM for that day your chart might make more sense - might be worth a look, even if you change it back again afterwards. So if you can fit in another BD session tonight, I'd say go for it girl!

2 days !!!! I would have bloody killed him.

Xmassy - not sure why the software has put a rule of thumb in for you. I would take it out, but it is up to you.

Looking good CityAngel, geekinpigtails and 3 cats.

Natty - thanks for the tip about the 'rule of thumb'. I'm pretty new to this software lark. Why would you advise taking it out, as a matter of interest?

And I know what you mean about wanting to kill him... I actually do worry that I'm not ever really going to be able to forgive him. It's a big problem for us!

The reason i would take it out if it was my chart is so that my cover line dropped to 36.45 instead of the 36.55. I think that is what will happen- maybe try it and see?

And not sure why it took you temp out as it was high after ovulation and no other reason.

It must be very hard for you, can i ask did he ask you to marry him?

Hmm - funnily enough when I change my prefs to un-check 'use rule of thumb to eliminate false highs', it changes my cover line to 36.65. Is this what you meant, or is there a way to override the 'rule of thumb' on one particular day only?

And why would you want a lower cover line? You can tell I'm new at this

Yes, he did ask me to marry him - on one knee, on the beach just outside Melbourne, as we went for a walk just before going to one of my close friend's weddings that day. It was very romantic, he had a giant rock to propose with as well. You never can see these things coming!

Hello, been chart spotting:

Natty ? your AF was very short this cycle wasn?t it? It must be nice that they are getting shorter after the long ones you had when you started charting. How come you don?t use the fertility monitor anymore?

3Cats ? it really does sound like you are feeling really crap from your chart I hope you feel better soon and that AF does not turn up tomorrow or anytime soon.

BBW ? missing you, hope you are ok.

Hey Geek ? cycle Buddy your chart looks great and it looks like you got lots of BDing in too. Your BFP is due on my birthday so I hope it?s a lucky day for you, mine will be 31st I reckon. I think my chart is wrong though, personally think I OVd on Monday, just by feelings more than anything else.

Greedy ? what does the asterix mean on your chart?

Sparklybirthdaygirl your chart is looking really good too Your BFP due on 28th?

Hello Snowydays ? heading for the exciting time, great timing by the way!

Xmassy ? see what happens tomorrow, the software might change its mind about that rule of thumb, that has happened to me before. You must have been delighted to finally get that positive OPK! Lots of BDing too, I?m jealous! Have a look at my chart for cycle 4, same thing happened to me. Don?t know what has happened to my 1st and 2nd charts, they were full charts, very pleased that I have them printed off.

My BD record would look so much better but we have had 3 failed attempts since last Friday I have just left them out of the BD recording because DH hasn?t manage to provide the goods but I am still hoping that a few swimmers might have escaped in the pre-ejac stuff ? is that possible do you think?

Xmassy - you can't change the preferences for a day, only a cycle I'm afraid. The lower the coverline, the more temps you ar likely to have over it. Might be just me but I like to see temps over the line, it gives me hope! Hope you can still think of the engagement as a happy memory xx

Thanks MrsMcClaus for your thoughts on my chart - I'll just wait and see what happens. My temp has hardly climbed yet though so who knows.

Looks like you got your BDing in just when you needed it though... all good stuff! We had our last ditched attempt last night, and it was SOOOO awkward! It was actually really sweet; felt like teenagers or something. We went to bed early, and lay there for ages talking about nonsense, knowing that at some point soon one of us was going to Make The Dreaded Move!! DP was much more into it all than before - long may it last!

3cats - sorry you're ill... hope you feel better soon

Xmassy - hope the temp rises today. Mine is back up at 36.3 so I think the sink yesterday was due to not feeling well as do feel less stuffy today. I am convinced I OVd on Monday and I think the software is saying Tuesday because of the +OPKs but the second one was a much lighter +ive than the first, oh well!

The Fertility Planner is saying that we BDed on a good day (twice) and on the best day but that said, we have done that for the last 4 cycles and no joy, Hey ho. Will just have to wait and see. DH was asking last night about good times to BD too so maybe he is finally realising that the whole process needs a bit more commitment from him.

I know what you mean about the awkwardness, I think it's because neither one of you actually really feels in the mood for sex and I have to stop myself from asking mundane questions about household things in the run up to the event!

Woo hoo! Temps climbed up to 36.7 for me this morning and as ably predicted by my fellow MNetters, the Rule of Thumb disappeared along with it. My coverline has now been raised to 36.65 though!
Am I the only person who pretends to put temps/BD/CM details in future days just to see what will happen to the rest of the chart and then very tediously has to go back and delete them..??!

I noticed when I did that very thing yesterday and put in some 'fake' high temps for the coming days that my coverline got reduced again and it all looked a bit better. Oh - and it moved back my date of OV to Monday rather than Tuesday too. I also think I OVd on Monday... got a +ve OPK on Monday afternoon but I think I OVd later on that evening rather than on the Tuesday. SO hello OV buddy!

With the Fertility Planner I'm getting two goods and one best too. Huzzah! Although I have to say I'm very grounded about this cycle for us... I have been very emotional this month and have a feeling AF will be arriving on the dot, ready to stay over NYE.

DP and I had a really good talk last night. He feels he can relax a bit now that the Crucial Week has come to a close, and he can get in the bed without looking quite so furtive each evening. At one point he looked at me, gulped, and I swear he almost looked scared to climb in. - maybe a change of tactic is required. We talked last night about how down I've been feeling about what happened in the summer (brought on my my mum's wedding invitation plopping through the letterbox yesterday morning..) and it was really cathartic to get out how we both feel about it now. We've agreed to possibly get a bit of couples counselling so we can really confront it and move on. And hopefully get married soon!!

LOL MrsMc about asking about household things in the run up - I do that too! Or just in the crucial moment, I'll squeak "oooh! I must tell you what I read on Mumsnet this afternoon about Cervical Fluid!!" and funnily enough, the moment fades...

Hurray, congrats on the high temp xmassy And yes, I fake data to see what it does to the chart too! You just have to be careful to remember what's real and what's not so that you only leave the accurate stuff in there, otherwise it'll never learn what's true for YOU, it'll predict stuff based on the super-YOU that you pretended to be... or is that just me?

Thanks for the encouragement MrsMc, I think we managed a pretty good cycle this time round. Nothing is guaranteed though!

I dropped DH off at the hospital this morning for the op on his toe, so I'm going to be molly-coddling him over the next few days

Hello again,

Just a quick post to say hi really. No change here. Still feel horrible. No AF yet but lots of spotting (too much to be implantation - am getting fed up with the s/w telling me every morning that it could be a sign of pg) so I expect AF either this afternoon or tomorrow.

DH didn't get home last night. He went out drinking with work collegues and missed his train home so had to stay in a hotel.
I only got his message at 4am when DS came in to my room and I realised DH was not there. I couldn't sleep after that. My suspicious mind was working overtime and not being rational at all.

Off to chart spot.

Hope you are well.

3cats - sorry to hear you sounding down. the software can be annoying cant it? kept telling me to do a pg test last month, so i thought...hey if the software thinks i am...i must be!
glad to hear i am not the only one with a suspicious mind! i am the WORST jealous bitch from hell! i give my dh such a hard time sometimes!
hopefully your spotting wont develop into anything....why shouldn't it be your month this month hey? (mrsmc said that to me last month and i thought it was a good thing to say, cos its true....why shouldn't it happen....be positive!)

What a nice way to ask xmassy, such a shame he had second thoughts, I take it, it is just the wedding day he is scared off, not the being together?

3cats - i am the same with my OH, sometimes he stays out to 4 / 5 / 6 in the morning when he has gone back to someone's house after the pub but with loads of other people as well, but still does not stop those horrid thoughts of him cheating on me. He is better now and comes home around 3. (he has to change a lot when i do get pregnant)

Charts are looking good.

Mrs - not sure why my AF was only 2 days, it was like that the cycle before last. It will be interested to see if a pattern forms. I am going to print all my charts off in the new year.

xxx

Morning ladies My temp hiked up to 36.7 today but I only got 4 1/2 hours sleep as we had our Christmas night out last night. I only had a few glasses of wine though. Trying to be very good just in case . I've started that dangerous day dreaming about being pregnant again, I was walking down the street, imagining waking up on my birthday and gettting my BFP (it does look like AF sorry, my BFP, is due on my birthday)and realised I had tears of joy rolling down my face!! I don't think I have ever wanted anything so much in my life. That said, the creamy CM is returning like it always does and I don't think that's a good sign. I am onl 3 or 4dpo but no hint of sore boobs this cycle which is a relief as they were agony last cycle.

Xmassy - congratulations on the temp hike and the disappearance of Mr Thumb. I really hope this is a lucky cycle for you, how long is your LP? It's nice to know we are at exactly the same stage in the cycle

3Cats - sorry you are still feeling awful hope you feel better soon.

Hello Geek, Greedy and Natty

Morning all...
My temp is up to 37.2 this morning! BUT I wasn't as good as you MrsMc - I drank a LOT of alcohol yesterday... met a friend for lunch and it turned a bit messy . No idea whether that means much in terms of the high temp!

I don't know how long my LP is MrsMc - this is my first month of properly charting. I'm hoping of course that it's longer than it originally looked on my chart. The s/w has pushed my OV date back to the Monday, so now the Fertility Planner has just given me two Goods and no Best And the Goods were what DP was able to manage at the end of a 4 day marathon effort so there might not have been too much there!

Are there some early signs in terms of CM that a BFP or AF is on the way? I know I've read that somewhere but can't remember.

Swore I wouldn't do this but feeling so tired and have nothing at all to do and have to sit here for another 1 1/2 hours so thought coming on here would help

Alcohol doesn't normally effect my temps much but lack of sleep does. I feel so tired and like I'm going to faint, it's so hot in here. Nearly thrown up a few times, not great for a new girl.

CM at this stage can mean that the lining of the uterus is aleady starting to break down

Argh, I hate that Having To Sit Around Pretending To Do Stuff At Work lark. Although when Christmas (and time off) is round the corner, it's not too bad. Especially with a hangover

I wouldn't worry too much about the CM at this stage though... isn't it a bit early for it to have started the process of breaking down..? Ohh what do I know!?? I'd have to go and look at the squillions of pg charts on ovusoft to see whether there was a pattern in their post-ov CM readings!

Felt a bit guilty this morning, as I woke up with my hangover. I really hope if/when I get pg that I'll be able to handle the giving up booze thing. I know everyone says it's really easy and you just don't want to drink but I really want to get pg and even so drank loads yesterday. Must have had 4-5 glasses red wine, plus a couple of cocktails, plus shared a bottle of champagne . My only defence is that that was over a whole afternoon/evening of boozing!

LOL about the drinking - certianly don't want a drink at the mo! I am feeling steadily worse as the morning goes on, have had to make myself sick and go for a walk around the block as thought I was going to pass out! all good practice at concealing puking for possible MS in the future! I know what you mean about the guilt, I only had a few glasses of wine but if I feel like this how would a rice grain sized nipper feel

Re the CM, that's what I'm worried about, it is far too early to start breaking down - might be worrying about nothing though!