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TTC with PCOS (Thread #2)

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RoseBud2015 · 12/06/2015 10:56

If you have been diagnosed with PCOS and would like a small group of very friendly ladies in the same position as you to talk to, then this is the thread for you!

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bananafish81 · 25/06/2015 14:29

Hi ladies

AbFab woohoo that’s awesome! So pleased, that’s brilliant news

Ain I feel exactly the same way about FB. I’ve had 2 births and 2 pregnancy announcements in the last 10 days alone. I’m that age where friends are popping out kids left right and centre, like shelling peas! I try not to go on now, as although I’m obv really happy for them, it’s just too hard. I try not to go ‘why me’ (after all, why not me) but there are days when I do a bit of a pity party for myself, feeling that it’s not fair to have broken my back and have chronic pain AND epilepsy AND fertility issues AND for my Mum to have passed away. I’ve got so much to be thankful for, but I think we’re all allowed days to have a wallow!

I’m feeling that way today tbh, after an appt this morning. I went for the fertility MOT scan I mentioned last week (www.createhealth.org/ivf-treatment-services/one-stop-fertility-mot/) and really wish I hadn’t

Apologies in advance for a v lengthy post, I’m a bit all over the place and need to vent, and hope you ladies will excuse my waffly ramble!!

When I called up the clinic I asked if it was OK to have this even though I’d just come off the pill, the admin person checked with a nurse who said it was. I go in yesterday to get blood taken, and this morning I go in for the scan. Dr - who is not my consultant, this is a different clinic - says there wasn’t any point having AMH done if I’d just come off the pill, and nurse told me wrongly, and I should have waited 3 months before having the test. She apologise for the mistake and said the retest would be free of charge.

She goes ahead and does the scan, but in my mind I’m thinking, if an AMH test isn’t likely to be accurate in assessing ovarian reserve, is a scan to assess ovarian reserve by looking at the number of antral follicles going to be any more accurate? (given AMH directly correlates with the number of antral follicles present). She doesn’t tell me to go home, maybe because I’ve turned up and will have to pay for it, and the scan will look at other stuff besides the AFC (antral follicle count) e.g. thickness of lining, blood flow etc

Dildo cam shows a VERY different picture to the scan I had in 2010 where I was diagnosed with PCOS. That scan showed I had tonnes of eggs, and v obviously PCO (with elevated LH on the blood tests, so Dr said she could see immediately from those test results that I had PCOS)

This morning, instead of the 20 / 22 follicles on each ovary, she could see only 3 on each. So very definitely not polycystic, but also indicating massively depleted ovarian reserve. She said this didn’t make sense, as she wouldn’t expect to see a decline like this in someone my age - things should have looked pretty much the same at 33 as at 28.She said she wanted me to come back to repeat the test at the end of August, as she was “worried” by what she saw, and that if this was still the case we would ‘need to get me pregnant quickly’, and consider IVF.

She also said the lining of my uterus was quite thin, but that this was v likely to do with the pill, and having only just come off it, i.e. it hadn’t had time to build up properly.

I’m shitting it as it appears my eggs have almost literally disappeared overnight, and I’ve gone from being polycstic with (in my consultant’s words) ‘lots of eggs’ to being non PCO and with low reserves.

I come home and bawl my eyes out thinking I’ve dried up and my fertility has for some unknown reason fallen off a cliff and oh god oh god oh god.

DH is v supportive and says well we’ll go and see our consultant and get his opinion, cos this sounds v v strange - consultant had said no reason to think things would be meaningfully different 5 years on at the age of 33, so to have everything dried up out of the blue doesn’t make a lot of sense. But if it has, then with his advice we’d work out a plan of action.

DH points out the fact that given she said the AMH test wouldn’t be accurate so soon after coming off the pill, might v well be plausible that the scan would be equally inaccurate. Especially given my neurologist had doubled my dose of the pill, due to the possible interaction of my epilepsy drugs with my pill - so any misleading impact of being on the pill would be magnified in my case, surely? I had told her when taking my history that I had been on a double dose of the pill, but I hadn’t seen her write that down, so not sure how well she’d taken that on board.

I can’t help googling as I’m panicking, and I find that every other clinic who offers these fertility MOT scans says you have to wait 3 months after coming off the pill before coming in. I also find that apparently the pill can make fertility levels appear MUCH lower than they actually are - especially the higher dose pills (and I was on a double dose of the higher pills)

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/10936765/Contraception-pill-could-mask-future-fertility-levels.html

“New study suggests women who come off the contraceptive pill cannot get an accurate assessment of their fertility for months…women who have been on the Pill are now advised their ovaries may look old with small volume, a few small antral follicles and low levels of AMH."

Which suggests that she should never have done the scan at all, and that she might well have put the shits up me unnecessarily. As DH said, which is more likely - that my eggs all mysteriously vanished out of the blue, or a test which has been found to be misleading if done too soon after coming off the pill, had given a misleading picture.

I’m clinging onto this, and will see what my consultant says. I’m fuming that despite saying the pill affected the accuracy of AMH & the thickness of my uterine lining, and telling me she’d like to repeat the test once I’d been off the pill for 3 months, that she went ahead and did the scan anyway, and that she didn’t listen to me telling her I’d been on a double dose of the pill. Which it turns out has a significant impact in giving a misleading picture!!

Obviously it is possible I’ve magically dried up. But I’m desperately hoping that the laws of probability mean it’s far more likely that the test wasn’t accurate.

She did see one dominant follicle, which in theory could mean I might ovulate (!!), and to test with OPK from day 20 (I'm currently day 11), as she said it would be a long cycle, estimated 40 days, because the lining of my uterus was so thin, so if I do ovulate it would be later. No idea what to think, as I was reeling from the whole ’it’s showing your eggs have vanished’ bombshell. I’m clinging onto the hope that the test was a load of bollocks and shouldn’t have been done, and the possibility I might lay an egg this month and that when I have the test done again, the picture will be more positive.

Sorry for massive post, just needed to get that off my chest! xxx

Dollface136 · 25/06/2015 15:01

Bananafish I'm so sorry that has happened to you! I can't believe they have left you in such a state. Totally agree with you that the scan should not have been done if they know tests this soon after stopping the pill are not accurate.

I can only send a big hug, and I'm glad you have an understanding DH to support you. Waiting for tests is the pits, but I really do believe that this doesn't sound like an accurate view of your fertility and you should wait on follow up tests to see a clear picture.

Rufus200 · 25/06/2015 16:49

banana take a deep breath and have a hug from me. First your Dr is wrong about AMH! AMH can be done while on the pill or just off it, it doesn't change your levels! In fact it better done now with PCOS as cysts artificially increase it! My AMH was 12 on the pill in 2013, 11 in 2014 and over 70 3months off the pill. The Dr said she had never seen it happen and didn't understand how I had made more eggs! This was the point I realised the Dr was a moron and didn't understand PCOS!

Next about your scan, the pill artificially suppresses ovarian cysts, so a scan just off the pill will not show what your ovaries are going to do in the future, you need to of had a real period and not just a withdrawal to have an accurate scan of your ovaries!

On another note I did ovulate the month I came off the pill before I had a real bleed but then didn't again until I had Clomid. So if there is a follicle there, go for it!

Rufus200 · 25/06/2015 16:56

banana forgot to say that my scans on the pill showed no cysts at all for years and was regularly told I had been misdiagnosed! 6 weeks off the pill and my ovaries were covered in them! Drs actually use the pill to suppress cysts down to help the ovaries ovulate better, so some women end up going on and off the pill!
When I did ovulate on my long cycles it was normally CD18

Dollface136 · 26/06/2015 08:48

Just finished my first cycle of SI (CD6 today). Temps looking nice and stead, let's see what happens from here!

Did anyone get nasty side affects from SI? Haven't noticed anything so far.

Pebbles086 · 26/06/2015 12:04

Hello ladies, I am feeling a lot better today!
Tried to have a good read back of what you've all been through this week xx
shortyk I hope your appt goes well next week.
Since I've been on inositol 2g with water morning and night, I've noticed my skin isn't as oily from the PCOS and I seem to have cervical mucus? But still no AF :(
rosebud really sorry you have to go back after your scan and the Clomid didn't work. At least they have contacted you and things will be sorted. Did you say your going to start your new dose after your hol. That's a great idea, give your body a little break then hit it with a new dose, this maybe the trick to laying that egg, but remember keep DTD, you never know :)
Ab great news with how your getting on! Your first scan will be amazing!!! How exciting, stay relaxed and look forward to what's ahead! Xxxx
Ain your not a bad person, your being human! Your not wishing those people bad, your just wishing it was you. If it was one off us on here you would be over joyed cos you know all our struggles. But it seems unfair when some pple just seem to get preggo very quickly :(
banana I cannot imagine how upset you must be feeling! You deserve some good news Hunny. You seem so strong though, I really hope when you go back for the scan things have changed. It seems that Doc has miss informed you a lot!
cobble that seems like a positive Ov! Really hope you've managed to get that egg caught! Good luck xx

So I had my lap and dye yesterday! I was expecting a lot more pain, I am just very bloated from the air they expand your stomach with. No skinny jeans for a while for me, sick of being in my pjs already :(
I was walking like John Wayne yesterday, scared to pop a stitch and I am not looking forward to getting the dressings off by belly button yuk!
As soon as I came round I asked the nurse what they'd found and she said other than the blockage on the left everything was normal?! She actually read the surgeons notes to me.... But I am quite skeptical of this as wouldnt she have noted my lovely PCO? Just waiting for the follow up with the consultant now and hoping what she said was actually true! (I find it hard to except good news lately)
I am now slightly bored of relaxing, DH was lovely yesterday spoiling me like mad. He's back to work today, cannot wait till he's back.

Hugs to everyone, sorry for the long post or missing anybody off. I won't stay away for this long again. Have a nice weekend everyone. Xxx

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Pebbles086 · 26/06/2015 13:49

*accept good news! (Awful grammar!) x

soontobemrslizzy · 26/06/2015 16:09

Bananafish, I'm so sorry to hear your news. I hope they were wrong and that you have many eggs left. At least she said you need to get pregnant quickly, that means that you should be able to but perhaps on an accelerated timeline?

I just saw the doctor- low progesterone (25.8 and he said ovulation required 30) so my fiance is off to get a sperm count test in two weeks (they won't start Clomid without it) and then on the 14th we have another appointment. Fingers crossed there are no problem's with his sperm and then we can start Clomid ASAP. We are going to start trying naturally right now though - I know the doctor said that I'm not ovulating but I'm hoping. Does anyone have experience interpreting ovulation test strips? I've just done one and the test line was visible although faint - what does that mean?

RoseBud2015 · 26/06/2015 17:17

Wow- not sure I could be any more pleased that it is the weekend! This week has been horrific both at work and in relation to ttc!

Thanks for all of your concern ladies! Flowers I am very, very worried about everything and just hope that whatever the problem is, it can be easily solved. I have the extra scan on Thursday next week.... so we will see!

ShortyK It was a trans-vaginal scan that I was having for my follicle tracking. Got to have another one and then possibly other tests/scans afterwards.

Banana Sorry to hear your bad news as well. It sounds like your doctor is a complete moron though so hopefully you can discount pretty much everything that comes out of her mouth! And one dominant follicle is all it takes so try and see the positives if you can! Smile

Pebbles So pleased to hear that your other tube is all looking good! Yay! Is the plan still to remove the blocked tube? Or are they looking to do a procedure to try and unblock it?

Lizzy I faint line doesn't mean anything. Only I line that is as dark or darker than the control line means ov is imminent. Keep going with it! One day I hope to see a positive opk..... one day!!!!!!!!!

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RoseBud2015 · 26/06/2015 17:19

Isit Hope you are ok? Have you started 150mg clomid yet?! I'm hoping it works for you- it will give me hope!

We reallllllly need another BFP don't we?! Who is due to POAS? Anyone!?

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soontobemrslizzy · 26/06/2015 21:17

Rosebud, thanks! I thought maybe it would get progressively darker until they are the same? Or is it more the case that it's just negative until it's equal overnight?

Has anyone done the day 21 test? I've been trying to find out online, and it it looks like some websites say that over 10 indicates ovulation but others (and the GP) say it needs to be over 30?

battenberg123 · 26/06/2015 21:35

Sorry to hear everyone is having a crap week Sad Agree we need some more BFPs on this thread!

Lizzy my gp wanted to see 30 or over l think to show ovulation.

I have got my fertility clinic appointment and it's only a week and a half away! I think my GPs are so understanding and helpful, only wish everyone else could have the same experience!

Ginfizz90 · 27/06/2015 00:09

Hey everyone!

How's it going? Does anybody have any good news?
I am cd 28.....Wink No AF yet but last cycle was 34 days

Zinnher · 27/06/2015 23:44

Just marking my place. Have quite severe pcos. Dd was a wonderful surprise. Hoping doesn't take as long to conceive #2.

clmustard · 27/06/2015 23:44

Hi sorry I've not been around for a bit. Since af started I have been trying not to think about ttc for a few weeks.

The long cycles really take their toll dont they. A woman without pcos would be thinking about testing about now but I am wondering if I have ovd yet.

Freddiesmother · 28/06/2015 00:14

Hope its OK to join? Just started provera so I can start my second round of Clomid (150g and I didn't respond to the 100g). Feeling pretty negative as the nurse said she said she had a 'hunch' it wouldn't work and I would have to have Clomid injections??

Nervous about side effects on 150g. Find reading this thread so reassuring

clmustard · 28/06/2015 00:23

what a "lovely" nurse there. Jeez if she is going to be offering her opinion under those circumstance she needs a different job!

Zinnher · 28/06/2015 01:46

How can she say that! You need positive energy . I agree with PP. She does seem suited to her job.

chandelierswinger · 28/06/2015 09:28

Hello ladies, been AWOL for a while... sorry to see so much sadness on the thread Sad Anyone want a Brew and some Cake? Pass it round Smile

Will check in properly later but just wanted to come and say Hi. NFM: I've been POAS, but OV sticks Wink and I'm starting to get a little excited that my SI cycle may have done something as the lines are getting stronger! Whoop whoop!!

chandelierswinger · 28/06/2015 12:49

Eeeeeeeek!!!!!!!! CD20... The SI worked!!!!!! Guess what I'll be doing later Wink Grin So relieved after last month's annov. cycle. Even if I don't catch this egg (and I'll give it a bloody good go!), I am so pleased to find something that might have helped before going begging for Clomid to the Drs.
Promise to check in with you all once I'm, ahem, free Blush

TTC with PCOS (Thread #2)
StarDustS · 28/06/2015 13:39

Hi ladies

Sorry to hear the bad times some of you are having hopefull some good news will follow as they say only way is up right?

As for me AF finally showed up on Friday and it's been bloody painful! Ended up with a 69 day cycle!
Also just wondering have any of you lovely ladies been taking evening primrose oil tablets? I have been told they are very good for regulating hormones so have been taking for a week and AF started so maybe it could be good for you ladies too? I'm gonna keep taking it this cycle and let's see what happens.

@chadilier good luck fingers crossed this is the month for you!

Dollface136 · 28/06/2015 15:08

How exciting chandelier fingers crossed for you!
I've just done SI as well, am on CD8 so going to start POAS for ov next week, I hope I get the same results as you!

Just spent the weekend at a wedding surrounded by adorable kids and babies, so hard, but I forced myself to be positive and think one day that will be my adorable kid!

Welcome Freddiesmother, sounds like a great nurse you had. Fingers crossed for your 150g chlomid.

battenberg123 · 28/06/2015 16:09

Chandelier that looks promising for ovulation, this could be your month fingers crossed!

I have never tried opk's before - I might try them this month. I have a niggling back pain at the minute so I think AF is imminent!

Welcome Freddiesmother Grin

Zinnher · 28/06/2015 19:33

Do the cheap opks work the same as the expensive ones. I never used them before as had non existent cycles. Have had three cycles now so might give them a shot

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