Immune/natural killer cell treatment when TTC or pregnant (aka the 14th pred thread)

[sunnyday01]

Continuing from 13th thread

Aw that's sad :(. My nephew age always reminds me miscarriage 2 as happened same day. My sil may be insane but he's so cute. Shame I don't get to see him much.

I just get a little less sleep twds end of my pred weeks. My mood stays same! But it can cause mood changes! Hope ur partner coping with u! Haha.

Trying- is your nephew local to you? Yes it's awful that we remember happy times with sad times

My DP dealt with me quite well yesterday bless him. I feel really really down in the dumps today and don't know what to do to make myself feel better? POAS and BFN so t hat doesn't help, trailing through mumsnet looking at other peoples BFP's are not helping either even though they deserve it as much as us on our thread am sure but feel cross about it!

Hoping that I will get a BFP not AF, but deep down you know that a first response would've shown BFP by now.

Poo poo poo

Sorry for the down message!

Please someone tell me some positive way to crack forward with next month x

Dildoos buck your ideas up and get positive!!

Seriously though we are allowed to have our down days and mine are always around testing time but I try to tell myself that I'm only allowed two of three sad days then got yo get positive again as hard as it is.

I find it best no to read the rest of mums net - then I don't know what's going on!

Oh dildoos, sorry you feel this way. Last thing you needed was a bfn. The early testing is a definte negative to the pred programme, you need to do it to know if you need to stop the pred but its a real bummer to get a bfn and know you re prob out and then still have to wait 3-4 days for af.

I find my mood generally is worst in the few days b4 af so maybe it s some pms plus general after xmas anticlimax ?

Is there something new you can try for next month (eg a supplement, or new bd plan ?) as i find that helps to feel you re doing something different that might swing things in your favour. i m not sure of your full situation or what you are already on but i take q10 for egg quality as well as all dr s suggested vits and since my cytokines were borderline i ve added spirulina as there was a study this reduced cytokines. I m also doing acupuncture.

Both times i ve got pregnant before was when i d felt like i d hit rock bottom the month before and almost given up hope it would happen so maybe next month will be your one (or even better this month - you re not definetly out till af shows).

Hang in there, you ve done it before with your daughter so it s got to be possible again.

Thanks sunny, so today can be my last one and tomorrow is a new positive day!

Seriously cannot believe I feel this as it seems worse and really hoping is due to the pred and I am not going to feel like this forever, not usually a depressive type. I don't suppose anyone has felt that depressed on them and there is an alternative medication? X

Thank you hula, I will try again SMEP this coming month, I have yet to try acupuncture but have just googled a lady in my area which helps with fertility so will call her tomorrow and get a session booked. How often do you go?

Sorry for BFN dildoos. It's worrying and upsetting isn't it. Firstly your not out yet, not until af arrives. Secondly you know u can get preg and it will happen soon. It's normal to feel sad for a few days. Again I get it around testing time. But you just have to keep the faith! We all Do!

I find looking on mumsnet is depressing and worrying but I still
Do it. Step away from all forums except this one!!!

I have acu fortnightly. But this is the longest time it's taken to get preg so it hasn't helped! But I do feel calm and postive and she helps me believe it will happen. My periods are also bang on 28 days now usually 26-29 after other miscarriages.

Hope ur ok, we all in it
Together and will get out of it other side one way or another. Medicine is so Advanced Now anything is possible. Our jounrey may be longer than we want, not the way we want but it will happen for us. Luckily the only sliver lining is recurrent miscarriers to have a good prognosis. Hugs

I go twice a month and it s targeted at specific times in my cycle that she feels need working on. I definetly think it helps. When my periods first came back after my son (at 23 months - breastfeeding was a very effective contraceptive for me!) my luteal phase was 9 days, after 3mns of acu (and still breastfeeding once a day) i was up to 12days and concieved (but miscarried), its now 14days. She is doing specific things now for my immune issue diagnosis too. It definetly can t hurt and is also good for making yourself lie down and relax for half an hour.

No nephew not near by. Ive just rem after my miscarriage me and DH got at least 3 Photos a day for a month or so. I eventually had to tell
Her please stop it's hard for Me! Thoughtless sil.. Anyways must not
Dwell on past! Another thing my acupunturist says to Me!

Sunny have ur DH had his sperm
Test yet?

I keep getting in a right tizz re how long it's taking to get preg. I can't get my head around there not being a reason. I ovulate as per my
Day 21 levels my fsh is fine and I DTD at the right times. I'm having acu along with supplements and reduced work hours so less stress. And I'm 30 which is hardly old!
I'm worried I've either got
Scarring post ercp or developed unexplained infertility and will need ivf ontop of my Miscarriage problems, Which doesn't bode well. My mind does wander......should try just take one day at a time rather than planning tests and ivf. Maybe I sound like a nutter 5 months not thatttttt long??

Hi ladies sorry to drop in with such a random question
, especially as i haven't read back . Not sure if many of you recognise me, my pred baby will be one on Wednesday.
since having ds i have had a cold every 2\3 months much more than i would usually have in a year. should my nkc be fighting that off? not really sure how it all works with illness! wondering if mine aren't so active any more....
hope that all makes sense just wondered what your thoughts on it were

I have read on the website of the acupuncturist I found that it helps for mental health too, would that be a seperate thing or are all issues dealt with as a whole? X

The fertility one will be good at helping you with your emotions as they have heard it all before and part of their job is to chat to you for a bit before the needles go in! Maybe give the fertility
One a go and see how u feel

Cartoon-nk cells are sup To fight infection! But they are not the only thing that fight if. But u have a little one so prob rundown and therefore all the colds! Congrats by the way

Dildoos so sorry you are feeling down. Both times I have been seriously depressed on treatment I have been pregnant a few days later so maybe it's your hormones surging?? I think it's the combination of pred, poor sleep and anticipation/anxiety. I was googling steroids and depression only this morning. We are all allowed to feel crap so try and go easy on yourself...it's such hard work - daily!!

Trying-I know what you mean about photos...I try not to fit me it's more like thinks today when Sil updates on 12 week scan, due dates and how good it was and to think I would be 10-11 now that's what I find hard :(

Hula how much/often do you take spirulina? I juice most days and often take it but not sure if I should have it more? Also do you know what your acu does for immune? Mine said there wasn't much you could do. Just more focus on relaxation.

Dildoos acu is good for mentalling too. After my last session I was in a complete down brain fog and came home after and had some much energy and was proactive instead of being miserable!

Cartoon I have no idea but I would think that's a good thing (lower NK cells) I haven't had a cold for years and no success yet! Obvs not a doc but it makes sense to me ;)

So it seems I am having a chemical pregnancy this month. I didn't say anything as was completely in denial!! I literally didn't believe it (see I am mental). We were having a month off after the last one but after the NHS appointment were we were told nothing we were doing made a difference we didn't really care about what we were doing! Feel stupid and broken now. Each preg has ended quicker and quicker so worried my immune system is getting more aggressive!! :(

Sorry for typos! Damn phone!!

Dildoos I found acupuncture really good as a holistic thing - sometimes after we'd been talking I forgot she was still needing to stick needles in me! Usually we are dealing just with either physical or mental stuff, it was nice to have both looked at.

Cartoon, nice to see you - I have so many colds, noticeably more than before had pred baby- I wonder have our levels somehow "righted" themselves, with unfortunate physical results!

thanks trying
yes determined I hope so. I may be back here ttc some time this year. so would be nice if the nkc have calmed a little at least.
I'm sorry to read that some of you are struggling so much. your time will come.

I'm so Sorry to hear that determined. Did u get a bfp? Has it gone or is af here?
I think SO can increase chance
Of chemicals (not sure sure of this) and hopefully the good egg and sperm Combo is soon? Hope ur ok xx

Trying don t panic about needing ivf i m sure you re not it that territory yet. It took me 18mns to conceive my son at 35, all unexplained (other than low amh). Then at 38, while breastfeeding i concieved my loss within 6 months (and only the last two of those had a normal lp). Now its 8mns post m/c and nothing yet so it does seem to vary greatly even in the same person.

The fact you ve got pregnant before and you re eggs will be good quality at only 30 that i m sure it ll happen for you again soon and with the immune treatment fingers crossed you ll have a very good chance it will stick.

ooooo interesting you have found the same iggi.

Determind bless you,

Sorry to see your news!

Thank You for your response to my feelings at present, so kind of you amidst your sadness.

Have you seen anyone regards the chemical? X

Thanks hula I'm sure ur right!
DH says no more mumsnet for tonight as I'm going mad looking up all sorts!
Speak to u all tmrw
Hope u ok determined x

Night trying.

Thank you all for your support, really don't know what I would do with out you lovelies x

Determined - so sorry about the chemical.
Re the spirulina i m a bit random about how much, usually one or two teaspoon to juice but this was the study:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15857205/
My acupuncturist does stuff to clear heat since the immune diag and now does some new needles on my lower back and right down to my pelvic bones on my bum !

Thanks ladies...yes got a v. Faint bfp (dh didnt believe me) that slowly got darker but then has stayed the same/got lighter which coincides with less boob tenderness and brown spotting. (Tmi). Not seeing anyone as after NHS appoint they said there was nothing they will do so there is no point. I will contact Dr S office and ask for a follow up now as I got further along when I had no treatment!! Plus I can't afford £400+ for intralipids for chemicals/v.earlys! I wasn't on SO this month (didn't believe I could get preg without either so or herbs so a massive shock! Could SO effects stay in your system?

I feel like we need more tests...am paranoid we aren't compatible...

Not sure I have the energy for it anymore all too upsetting!

Hope you all have a nice sleep despite the pred and feel better in the morning!

Xxx