The Elderberry Pavlovas: sit on the sofa of hopefulness and make yourself a special omelette while prescribing the vomming cat to those that deserve it and observing the lunching of the tactless.

[barkingtreefrog]

It's time for some more grads!!

The smallprint - Berries have a strict entrance criteria (TTC #1, over 30, TTC for 3+months NO instadiffers, must have a special pot)

Ah I see barking, hope all is well. Is this the next step after dildocam?

scone congrats, nice to read some berry good news for a change!

Hey thunder might need to borrow the ROR,back at work tomorrow and I know it's going to be hell!

barking tell me about it re fb. My friend (the one who has her profile of her bikini bump, who I limited her activity as was too upsetting). Posts on my statuses all the time so I have no choice but to be slapped in the face with it each time!!!

bunny they're kind of at the same step, I have my dildocam on the 19th June, just before my fc appointment with the consultant when s/he'll discuss the results of both and what to do (if both investigations are clear it'll be clomid).

Hahaha barking I actually nearly just wee'd myself with joy at the Wawa Skittletits one! I am GOING to get that into my essay!

SKITTLETITS, W. 2013. Methods of intra-essay procrastination and their outcomes. [online]

Dare me..?!

I dare you boom. Better put the URL too.?
bunny sorry it's been crappy. as I am now almost ready to graduate to the SOP

barking good luck tomorrow and tell us what they say. And share the yummy treats!

And LO I am off to bed. yup still sticking with the LO theme

Morning Berries. Hope everyone is well just needing a few words of wisdom at this early hour. As I mentioned yesterday no temp rise for me this month despite a + OPK on cd11, OV pain on cd13 and lots of EWCM in between (this is when I always OV) Got quite upset about this morning and was just about to launch myself on to the ROR. Then randomly decided to PIMP for an OPK and instantly got a very strong positive! Guessing my body is trying again but how likely is it that it'll happen now? And if it does will AF still be due at the same time as usual? Am on cd16 of a 26 day cycle. Am usually regular as clockwork so this is very abnormal!

Morning happy. Not sure how definite it is what's coming next but I'd say dtd anyway?! Get all bases covered!

happy my temps don't seem to go that high either, I got positive opks and then a 0.3 rise and have had another massive drop in temp again today, back to pre ov temps.

I'm also regular as clockwork but got pos opk on different day this cycle to last cycle so I feel your pain!

How long have you been charting? Do you normally get a big temp rise?
Low temps could just be normal for you or it could be just a random weird cycle!

Scone I've been charting about 6 months and whilst my temp rises at OV aren't huge they are still noticeable. But this month it hasn't gone up at all. Fortunately we DTD last night so will just have to wait and see what happens and try not to think about the 6 times we DTD last week that have probably gone to waste

Did anything happen last week stress wise that could have delayed ov?

I havent done proper catch up, will do later. Happy have you travelled or been stressed?

I'm nestling on the cushion of confusion. Real upset with dp this week and havent slept properly for 3 nights. In fact Im a complete mess, feel like Im going to cry at work. And went to GP for advice about Clomid which Im meant to be starting today - she was really shocked that the gyny had given me 3 month prescription with zero monitoring and no advice re when to dtd. She used to work in a fertility clinic and said sweeties without monitoring can waste your chance as cant see whether dosage is right, or can result in multiple pg. Shes going to contact them to ask for monitoring and said up to me whether to stsrt this cycle or not. Just feel all trembly and not in a fit state for meetings etc. Sorry to rampage in and be all me me

Hugs goosey perhaps start taking it and hopefully you should get monitored pretty quickly.

I'm sure others here cash pass on the advice they were given when they started taking it.

Not sure its even a good time to take them when im in this state and feel so let down by dp. Really trying to pull myself together but have now shut myself in toilets.need to get a grip.

Perhaps you should go home? Or work out how many hours you have to get through before you can go home and concentrate on 1 hour at a time.

Thanks scone, youre right just 6 and a half hours to go if I leave early. Big congrats on the prize!!

Kitty sorry to hear about the wait for iui.

Who was it at beginning of thread who was wondering whether to wait before seeing fc to give more time to try naturally? Did you decide what to do? Been meaning to say, sure youve thought of it but in case, if youre thinking of waiting make sure you check out cut off ages for treatment, seems to vary in different parts of country.

goosey when I have days like that I give myself a little reward every hour, like a piece of chocolate or a nice coffee, gives you something else to focus on and 1 hour seems much more manageable than 6!

If you were going to start clomid today I'm assuming that AF got you on Monday?

Sorry to hear you're having a rough time Goosey. Love Scone's idea of a treat every hour though!
Haven't been particularly stressed lately although did have a very nerve wracking spanish oral exam 2 weeks ago plus been incredibly busy in work so maybe that's it. Can't wait to get home and pimp for an OPK again just out of curiosity! Been looking back at my charts and there's been a temp rise around this time on a few occasions along with the earlier one that I've taken to be OV. Maybe this isn't the first time this has happened

happy perhaps you always ov on the later temp shift which may mean you have been missing little eggy each month? Perhaps your body takes 2 attempts each cycle then.

That's what I've been thinking Scone! Hope we havent been mis-timing shag week all these months. Saying that had a progesterone test a few months ago on what I thought was cd 7 and showed that I had OVd. If I'd got my dates wrong I'd have only been 2/3 dpo and not sure the levels would have been quite so high then?? Hate all this confusion and guess work arrrrgh!!

Happy my progesterone was high enough to be ovulatory - around 42- on 3dpo so dont rule it out! Was it you who had +ve opks a few days in one month before? Cb leaflet says you should tell doc if get lots of +ve readings - i remember that as wondered how you'd find out as normally dont do anymore after the +ve.

Not me Goosey. Never noticed any + OPKs after the initial one but then I've never tested this late in my cycle before. If I am OVing on cd16 then my LP is only 10 days

and Lo I am hiding under the sofa of pity with the throw of sulkiness! The combination of back to work, AF, tiredness and babies everywhere has thrown me into a dark dark mood. I swear my colleagues must think I'm some sort of wierdo with these moods that take over once a month!

Goosey that sounds rubbish! HUGS! Sorry to hear your FC is a bit pants and having trouble with OH! My DH and I fell out yesterday as I was taking my mood out on him and he got well narky!

I should be back on the diet after my holiday but to get through this week I need some treats, a lovely pastry for my afternoon snack, and its not just an ordinary pastry it?s an M&S pastry

Goosey I hope you're feeling a little better You can do this! Only a few hours to go. The berries will pull you through. Whatever's going on with your DP will be much easier to manage once you start sleeping again.

I think I might be the one you're remembering - my GP told me a couple of months ago to come back in 4 months. She didn't fully explain why, but it could've possibly been to give me enough time to be referred to a neurologist, see him/her and follow through on whatever their advice was, before seeing the GP again. (Actually saw neuro almost 2 weeks ago & he said I was perfectly fine & he'd happily sign off on my fitness to become pg, so all that's handled at this point). Or she could've been relying on that old nugget about how 85% of couples get pg within a year, and 95% within 2, so pushing out the referral date would give us enough time to catch up with statistics. Who knows. She was kind of dismissive and I left there feeling pretty low.

My DH has 2 children already, so we won't qualify for NHS fertility treatment; we'll have to go private if necessary, at least once the NHS has taken us as far as they can. Which given my age, going private will be painful financially, but time is becoming a greater concern.

Someone just posted an encouraging story from another thread re someone with short lp getting pg, and according to my fertility book 10 days is short but can be ok. That would be both a relief and frustration to find out youd been missing right days i imagine!

This cycle (#11), DH & I have been DTD daily, up til 2 days ago when I got my umpteenth "High" and felt kind of "what's the point?" We didn't DTD that night bc he was tired, and yesterday we both were shattered so didn't DTD then either. Now of course I'm plagued by feeling like even though it's CD20 here, perhaps #18 and 19 were the days when we'd have gotten pg, if only we'd tried. DTD daily can feel v base sometimes (hard not to feel like a mare being inseminated instead of like a woman trying to start a family) but at least it gives the peace of mind that you could literally not have missed the "right" day by accident.

So, no clue how this cycle will pan out, but I think if we wind up in cycle #12, we'll DTD daily again, drop the IC OPK sticks (which have never given me strong positives, so wondering if they're right/CBFM wrong or vice versa, or if I just need to try a diff brand), stick with the CBFM, and add temping. And I'll be going to the GP if cycle #13 becomes a reality, and she can stuff her "wait 4 months"!

As I type this, the newborn next door is crying he was an IVF baby apparently and the labor was v rough, forceps and full episiotomy required....even with all that, I am super when I hear him!