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TTC 10+ months thread 12

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buzzybee123 · 21/12/2012 13:56

A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

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buzzybee123 · 29/01/2013 19:55

I think I'm in the running for being last, I'm happy to make a little wager :)

euro and doll good luck for tomorrow

nelly how is the knitting going??? I'm still knitting Kayla her blanket

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buzzybee123 · 29/01/2013 20:23

I think I'm in the running for being last, I'm happy to make a little wager :)

euro and doll good luck for tomorrow

nelly how is the knitting going??? I'm still knitting Kayla her blanket

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ThatWayMadnessLies · 29/01/2013 21:02

Evening!

Popping on to wish euro and doll a pain free and successful EC tomorrow. I don't know any of you in rl but thanks to mrsd I am picturing you all with legs in stirrups in compromising positions Blush. The world has gone mad!

Well done to the knitting ladies. I think that I need to get back to it. Have been doing lots of quilting but knitting is much better for doing when being a couch potato in front of the telly relaxing of an evening. I only ever do things that are square or rectangular so that tension isn't all that important Wink.

I'm super busy at work and crashing quite early at night. Looking into lots of endo related stuff and thinking about dietary changes. Unsure whether big changes are a good idea right before ivf or whether they'll just make me more anxious. Perhaps a focus on increasing exercise is enough for now and just everything else in moderation......

Big waves to everyone and sorry for not name checking. I am off to finish a report for tomorrow.

sarlat · 29/01/2013 21:07

Doll and euro - sending you both buckets of luck for tomorrow.

Joy - how are you my lovely?

Den - I was very tired too for 1-2 weeks post lap. It should pass but don't plsn in loads of things. You will need your rest.

Hellooooo to everyone x

freedom2011 · 29/01/2013 21:11

fingers crossed and many good wishes for doll and euro.

sarlat · 29/01/2013 21:14

Madness - thanks for all your lovely words regarding my wobbles the other day. Do you think even mild endo could cause implantation failiure? Guess that would make sense. I cant believe your first ivf appointment is next month. Very excited for you.

rabbitonthemoon · 29/01/2013 21:25

No time to name check (I need sleep) but good luck to euro and doll crossing all the crossable things. And NO it will be ME last on this thread sweeping up the feathers and glitter knobs and snakes and egg frittata as I'm pretty sure my amh is non existent (strong hunch) and I'm not having ivf anytime soon. In which case I will move to the grads thread anyway - last one in gets a free ticket Smile

EuroShagmore · 29/01/2013 21:58

Thanks for all your good wishes, ladies. I'm having a bit of a menkul at the moment, having managed to distract myself all day with work stuff followed by a client dinner. It's really hit me now that it's happening. And I am a bit freaked about the EC process and finding ourselves here at all. And the Ovitrille and my stomach are not happy buddies. Me and hormone drugs should really be kept well apart.

Good luck to you too, doll. This time tomorrow it'll all be over.

And it'll clearly be me last on this thread. I am 99% sure that egg and sperm have met but not stuck at least twice already. So IVF won't help that.

sarlat · 29/01/2013 22:10

Euro - last minute nerves are normal and healthy but this is the right step for you. I know what you mean about finding yourself where you are but you will never regret trying and this may very well be the step which brings you a baby. Noone really knows why ivf can help some people when other routes don't but it truly can work. Ec will be just fine, you will feel nice and drowsy. Be gentle to yourself and be very proud of yourself. X

Poutintrout · 29/01/2013 22:40

Good luck tomorrow euro and doll I was told that the EC really is okay and painless. It is normal I am sure euro to be a bit menkul at this point. You are on the home straight now.

madness I too am beginning to wonder whether I should be doing anything before the IVF cycle. I have just realised that this is the one thing we haven't asked the nurses at the hospital. That must seem a bit weird to them.

mrsd Yes I dug out some random photo ID that I forgot I had. Obviously the Photo isn't required to prove residency or nationality, maybe it is just to ensure that the right eggs go back in the right person Hmm

joins the clamour to be the last in the tent & wrestles the broom off rabbits

MuddyWellyNelly · 29/01/2013 23:05

Hand squeeze euro. EC is fine. In fact I can't wait for the next one as I loved the drugs so much Blush. Afterwards we went straight to a Starbucks for contraband caffeine then did a spot of shopping. I had mild period pains but nothing more. They did warn me that the first pee would be bloody. They should give you pads but take a couple with you, and but otherwise it's all quite simple. The catheter in the hand was my one ick. Don't try to bend your wrist too much until they've removed it . good luck for you and doll tomorrow.

rabbitonthemoon · 30/01/2013 06:05

Euro I feel the same about egg having met sperm in oct and how could ivf work BUT my friends who all have babies have a lot of cps and mcs between them, I think they are just bad luck but if you conceive more often you have more chance of finding the good egg/sperm more quickly. There is every chance this will be a good un and they will chase down a sexy looking sperm. Sorry to hear about the dodgy tummy, bet nerves don't help that. Soon it will be done and you can indulge in treats galore. Big luffs.

ThatWayMadnessLies · 30/01/2013 07:32

Just running out the door to work but one last post wishing doll and euro good luck!

sar I do think that even a little bit of endo could have had an effect. Of course that freaks me out as I have loads Sad. Can't believe our appointment is Monday either. I'm sure it will still take a while to get to the actual treatment stage but good to be getting back to the clinic and setting the ball rolling....

pout I bet they were relieved that you didn't ask Grin they must be fed up with all us panicky women asking for the one thing that will make sure this all works. I just don't know If making big changes will unsettle me more than it will improve my chances ifyswim.

Okay, must run!

EuroShagmore · 30/01/2013 08:22

Thanks for all your kind words, ladies. My dodgy stomach has eased. I am now starving. :( (And a teensy bit scared - I am not good with the hospital setting. I tend to want to bolt. I'm fine in the dr's surgery, but hospital beds and all the paraphenalia around them freak the hell out of me.

doll I hope everything went well for you.

pout I think anything before the IVF cycle is optional. On the egg buddies thread, some people are getting healthy or cutting caffeine/alcohol. I did all that before my cycle in the summer and I think it contributed to the menkul for me. So this time, I have just carried on as before. My one change was to switch my morning coffee for decaff, and this was just forward planning. Whenever I change my coffee routine, I get a horrible headache. So doing it pre-potential pregnancy I could bring out the good drugs to help me through, whereas I couldn't if by some chance I did get diffed this cycle.

GinSoaked · 30/01/2013 08:38

euro you will be fine! And the room isn't really like a hospital. Annoyingly there are no beds, just reclining chair thingys, separated by curtains. The theatre is more like an examination room than an op theatre. EC will be over in mins with just the 1 or 2 follicles to do and the sedation is much much better than a GA. I particularly like the anti anxiety drug they put in before the sedative... If I can do it, you certainly can. Hope you don't have too long a wait. Take some trashy reading literature with you.

doll hope you are ok and they've got the beruit 5 out. I think yours should be all over by now?!

mrsden · 30/01/2013 09:06

It will be over before you know it euro. If they're just getting the one egg, it will be super quick. Is it under ga or a sedative?

I'm the biggest wimp but last week I managed an enema, suppository, 3 big fat anti DVt injections, drain removal, catheter removal, canula putting in and whipping out, pre med sedative, ga, dildo cam, smear, internal exam, numerous blood tests plus the actual lap. Oh, and the pube shaving. The only thing I freaked about was the powdery drink I was supposed to have to get my intestines moving again. I managed two sips and no more. Anyway, what I mean is we think we can't do things but we are amazing. A pregnant colleague was nervous about a midwife visit yesterday because she doesn't want an internal. I don't think an internal will bother me in the slightest now if I get there. We've been through far worse haven't we?

seaviewasia · 30/01/2013 09:23

Good luck doll and euro
Hope the EC all goes well.
Lots of positive vibes and good luck! Hope it's all painless and straightforward.

Joy Hope your tests go well today and everything is going well with the BFP. Thinking of you.

akuabadoll · 30/01/2013 10:13

Hi, thanks for the you wishes. Unfortunately I have only 2 eggs out. I was taken off guard, we knew one was most likely too small but 2 more that were empty was not expected. Dr said "well yes, we do see this with the SP" Grrrr. Well, there is nothing I can do. I'm going to rest in bed now as at least the EC brought a day off work which I could really use. Now I think of it, I took a work call while I was still in the hospital bed, perhaps I should call that person back to see if I made any sense ( yes, I did say I was unavailable Wednesday morning due to a medical issue, but who listens to me?)

Hope it went well euro
waves to everyone else.

mrsden · 30/01/2013 11:40

You take it easy for the rest of the day. No more work, not even a phone call! Two is still good, was it four on the lp?

akuabadoll · 30/01/2013 12:01

Yes mrsden it was four eggs from four follies on the LP with number five being too small.

joycep · 30/01/2013 12:59

Doll ? but those 2 could both fertilise & implant so keeping everything crossed for them. Take it very easy today. A girl on the AC thread had 3 retrieved and that produced her twins.

Euro ? hope everything has gone ok today. it?s very nerve wracking but hopefully the reality won?t be as bad as you imagine. Hope you feel ok afterwards.

Mrsd ? i can?t believe you had all that done last week. That definitely deserves more than one medal.

Pout ? the advice i was given was just eating lots of good protein and veg. Things like advocado, eggs are suppose to be good. Limit the caffeine and alcohol. My clinic really tells everyone (people who aren?t lactose/dairy intolerant) to drink a litre of milk a day and whilst stimming 2-3.5litres of water. I put smoothie at the bottom of the glass and then add the milk so it makes it easier to drink. I had also read that eating processed sugar especially during stimming isn?t good, something to do with messing with your blood sugar levels being bad for hormones. Since the 2nd week of stims, we also haven?t dtd. I?m sure it says we were to avoid it especially in the 2ww. I have found it really quite nice

Sar ? i bumped in to a girl this morning and we had EC and ET on the same day. She suffers from severe, painful, stage4 endo. This is her 3rd ivf and this time she hit the jackpot and by the sounds of her beta levels, probably with a twin pregnancy. They have lasered the endo they found with you didn?t they?

Madness ? are there certain diets that can help endo?

Nelly ? i ?m pleased your back is better. That?s good you have follow up appointment booked. There is an excellent page on FF where it sets out questions you can ask your consultant at a follow up.

Still hanging in there. Beta has gone up today. I get off the phone and i have to go in to our office store cupboard where i have to take several minutes to pull myself together whilst muttering thank you thank you. also my NK cells are within range so no ivig thank god. The steroids must be keeping them at bay. And breathe.

EuroShagmore · 30/01/2013 13:16

Doll I'll have everything crossed for the Beirut 2. I think Mr Euro would have crowned me if I had started taking work calls.... I was not exactly an easy patient.

joy it's great news that the numbers are still going up. I think the sugar thing is related to insulin (and is why some PCOSers struggle even if they ovulate because their insulin levels tend to be all over the place. Apparently high insulin levels are not good for healthy eggs.

mrsd it was sedation, but I was completely out of it. I have no recall between being asked how I felt just before the second lot of drugs was administered (answer: stoned) and waking up in my cubicle.

As I've been such a drama llama about EC, I feel like I should give you the full run down of my experience.

It was ok, although I was a complete bag of nerves beforehand. And refused consent for them to shove drugs up my bottom. There is little dignity remaining in this process but bumhole intacto is where I draw my limit. They've given them to me to insert myself but I'm probably going to skip it. I'm in next to no pain, just mild discomfort, so it looks like they would have been entirely unnecessary anyway. I'll see how it goes whenever what they gave me in theatre wears off. I have a headache from lack of food and coffee and that is far worse. No bleeding so far.

The actual EC process was ok. The worst bit was a scan before with no lube. Ouchie. The only bit that really upset me was when they belted my legs into (very wide) stirrups. It brought to mind an awful former nazi eugenics "hospital" we visited once in Austria. I was just about to freak out when the drugs knocked me out.

I did the same thing I have done on the two occasions I had GA in the past - bolted. As I woke up the first words out of my mouth were "can I go now" at which point, within 30 seconds of coming round, I was on my feet, getting dressed (that didn't go so well - I've just discovered my knickers the wrong way round...). Then they said I couldn't until I had had a drink and used the toilet. That was accomplished within a minute, with the nurse and KFZK trying to slow me down. In the end they gave up and he called a cab. They tried to get me to wait to tell me the embryologist was coming. I told them to get her to call me, but she made it just before I bolted. They got the egg they expected, plus one more which might be immature. However, the spaff sample wasn't good - low volume (as usual) and only 13m swimmers. The numbers have been going down and down. They suggested ICSI but we have said no. I need time to get my head around that and couldn't make an on the spot decision (I really do need to move in increments, not leaps). We'll find out tomorrow if the egg has fertilised (I'm not counting on the small one -I'm a bit annoyed they went for it actually. One reason I am doing this au naturel is to avoid ethical agonising over embryo freezing.)

I've read before that a natural pregnancy is unlikely with fewer than 20m swimmers, so it looks like our issue is actually male factor. None of the SAs have been great, but ICSI has never been suggested before. I've suggested KFZK gets some more investigations done. I think he's quite upset that his contribution was not great having seen what I went through.

The upshot is, the process itself was fine. The only real difficulty was my issues with the clinical environments and lots of drugs, and those are very much my own issues.

Gin that curtained waiting area is really cramped. I almost killed the people next to me who were givving one another a running commentary of the yummy biscuits they were eating while I was still nil by mouth. Not very considerate. And I was grumpy as hell. I was very close to having words.

joycep · 30/01/2013 17:56

Euro ? well done for getting through it. Although it sounds like a bit of an ordeal. How polite that they asked you about shoving things up the backdoor. I have had that done twice to me now and i find the thought mortifying. Sorry about MrE?s SA today but it will be interesting to see whether ivf does work for you. I understand the need to consider icsi. You would think 12m would be plenty when they basically are put right up next to each other. Love the fact that you were shooting off out the door when you had barely woken up. Hope you are feeling ok and not too battered.

Seavie ? i saw your question on the mid 30s thread...which i sometimes stalk. When i was on clomid, it would only be my right side that seemed to produce follies. My gynae at the time said she couldn?t even see my left ovary and basically told me i was missing one...she said some people just do. Cue a massive meltdown and it reminded me of about a year earlier when i had had my ovarian reserve checked, another doc scanned me and had said nothing was on my left side and may indicate premature ovarian failure. 2 weeks after that semi diagnosis, someone else scanned me and said she could see my left ovary and there were follies. I think the point is, one ovary can be lazier than the other and you just may not be producing follies on that side this month. It was only after 4 months of scans that i actually produced a follicle on the left side. Not only that but ovaries can hide quite spectacularly and so they can be very difficult to see on those scanning machines.
Anyway, it may be worth when you go back getting a bit more clarification just to ease your mind and have an AFC on both ovaries. Just a thought. I?m sorry that the doc didn?t sound all that helpful which is about par for the course.

ArtemisTheHunter · 30/01/2013 18:53

Quickly popping on to say well done to Doll and Euro for getting through EC and fingers crossed for good fertilisation. I'm sticking with the 'you only need one' mantra. I saw a couple struggling with twin toddlers today and to be honest they both (parents not toddlers) looked absolutely wrecked.

Joy great news about the beta and NK cells. It is such an anxious time especially when you are trying to carry on as normal with work etc. I found work an anchor but everything just felt so unreal. Still does if I'm honest.

Pout I was given similar advice to Joy about eating well and avoiding alcohol and caffeine. We both quit alcohol and booze about 2 months before the IVF cycle - I've no idea whether it made any difference but having put myself in the hands of strangers I wanted to do all I could control freak. Though I did fully expect to be drinking Irish coffee at Christmas! It did cause quite a bit of stress between me and Mr A as I was full-on alcohol police so in retrospect it could have been counterproductive - I'd say that, provided you're not caning it every night, trying to stay calm and relaxed is probably more important than whether you have a glass of wine or not. The question I never dared ask the clinic was how they make sure the right eggs go back into the right person. They were very careful about checking our ID at every turn so we just have to trust them and hope the baby doesn't turn out to be a Neanderthal.

Madness I'm a telly knitter too. I have just finished a jumper that actually fits . My last attempt turned out beautifully but didn't suit me at all - though helpfully it looked great on a friend who was visiting so went home with her as her xmas present rather than me pulling it all out. It took me bloody ages and was lovely expensive yarn. Oh well, she's worth it and will no doubt knit me lots of oddly shaped bootees in return.

Mrsden wow that's an impressive list of all you've been through in the last few weeks. Double medal definitely earned there. You're right about internals now seeming like a walk in the park.

Rabbit on the scanning, I had clomid for 5 months from days 2-6 and never had a period scan. From memory I think I had a scan on about day 10, then day 12, then about day 15 or 16 to see if there was a corpus luteum which combined with the day 21 bloods told them ovulation had happened. But I was only monitored for one cycle, after that I was left to it. I guess different clinics have different scanning protocols - they all seem to do everything differently so it stands to reason clomid would be the same.

I had a horrible bleeding scare over the weekend, it was bright red with small clots so i really panicked, but the hospital got me in for a scan yesterday morning which showed everything intact and OK with the bean so while they can't explain the bleeding, that's good enough for me. It started after sex so I wonder if I've got a dodgy cervix but it went on for ages - still spotting now - and I would've thought cervical abrasion would only have bled a bit. Anyway. Need to stop worrying like hell I can. And won't be having sex again ever for the foreseeable future. Mr A is being stoic. Time for me to get exercising that gag reflex Grin

I've missed lots but will have to dash - mega loads of work still to do tonight. I've got a client report to write, I've got one day to do it in (that I'm being paid for) but the 'essential' background reading I've been sent would take me at least that long to get through if I did it properly. Clients, love 'em Hmm.

Waves and luffs to everyone. As for the last one on the thread turning out the lights, that was supposed to be me, remember? Be careful what you wish for ladies Grin

buzzybee123 · 30/01/2013 19:16

evening ladies, this thread is almost full :)

euro what a day, sorry about the SA but i'm sure it will be fine, only needs one sperm to make it through :)

doll again you only need one to make a baby but I can understand that you would have liked 4.

art that would be a scare, glad all is ok Grin at your gag reflexes, what is wrong with palmer and her 5 daughters??

joy glad things are looking good for you :) have they offered you a scan at 6 weeks ?? I think that is what they normally do

pout the ID is to prove you are entitled to the care in your area usually, they keep asking me at my hospital Hmm

well one more day of work then 5 days off, yipee, i'm exhausted and its only Wednesday, there have been a few BFP's on the FF website which is encouraging

waves to everyone else

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