TTC 10+ months thread 12

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A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

Bear I think in the uk you get to go home unless there is a complication. I went in at 7.30, went down at 8.30 and was home by three.

Mrsden I'll do some top tips in the next few days. I think you'll have to fess up about the cd 27 business. They will probably do a blood pregnancy test?

Mrsden, don't answer 'yes' if it will hold up your treatment.

...sorry for swearing.

viv its more than just age, its genetics and environment, all these things contribute to the situation, no one really has the answer and so I personally have stopped looking one, instead of fitting things I am now just going with the flow :)

euro sorry you feel meh, although pregnancy symptoms are similar to pmt

joy you only need one to get your baby :)

mrsd glad you will have your lap soon, gut feelings are usually right :)

gin thanks for the hand hold, its my first wobble for a while and it took me by surprise, feeling better now, glad you had a positive appointment, how exciting to have FET soon

sar glad the new job is going well

rabbit long days and being ilis not a good combination

bear I have not had a lap but others on here have and will come along with some good advice.

Well I've changed the date of DE IVF to the 06/05 for EC and they are saying they will do a day 5 transfer. Now I need to get the information and make a plan of action, find out what drugs I'll be on etc etc. I really have no idea about it all yet. I am coming to the end of life coaching, although we are going to work on 'coaching other people' should be handy for work

Just wanted to congratulate Joyce on all her eggs.
And hope sarlats new job is going well.
Gin good to hear you have a transfer date.
buzzy good news about the DE decision. Very pleased.
Waves to all you lovely ladies.

How's everyone's day? Snowy?

I have spent the morning getting rid of ds's baby clothes. I've held onto them for nearly four years and they are just sitting there reminding me I don't have another dc to wear them. I've kept a few special things but the rest are going to the charity shop. We have so much stuff and I know I can't keep everything anyway.

Hi ladies, just a quick update from me. I have 2 embies on board. 1 blasto and 1 not quite blasto but it could become one. I have a new huge bag of drugs to take and now on 2 clexane injections a day plus progesterone injections with 10cm needles. My bottom is not a sight I wish Roy to have a good look at but I am going to have to get use to it!
So I am going to sign off for the next 12 days or so- you know not to think about all this etc. Going to try and watch comedy and think positive thoughts because I am convinced my period will come before test day. Thanks for all your support as usual. Youve been wonderful. Will be back in due course with a yay or nay. God speed!

Joyce - great news. And I agree with signing off for a while and watching comedies. Take care honey and good luck to you both xxx

Bit of a shocker here - just received my operation report and it appears all is not as danday as I was told. There was endo in my cul de sac as well as ligament, my womb is seriouly tilted, I have grade 1 non occlusive tubal disease and worst of all my right fallopain tube was stuck down to my bowel with adhesions and a saculated fimbrial end. Luckily the fimbria were easy to divide but clearly all was never as good as I thought. I always seem to have these nasty suprises lurking around the corner. Seem to get a good slap the minute I try to relax and become more positive. I will be ok, just a bit unsettled.

Wow Joyce - two on board! The 10cm needles sound scary! I've just read Inconceivable (Ben Elton) and they mention massive injections in the bum in that and I thought "I'm glad they just give you the bum bullets now". ARGC clearly stick with the needles!

Sarlat I'm sorry that your op report was not what you expected. Were they able to sort e.g. the stuck down tube?

Littlebear that must have been tough.

Well, my period has started, so I'm booked in for my day 6 scan on Monday and then hopefully on to EC. I'm in a much better place mentally than when we started our IVF cycle before. Hopefully I will manage to get through it without a near breakdown this time! AF's arrival has thankfully meant that the PMT has eased off a bit, which is a real relief. It's a bit of an odd one though - my temp hadn't dropped this morning, I'm not very crampy and it's a slow start (teeny tiny hint of blood last night, some spotting this morning and the start of red blood this afternoon). I normally have a couple of hours of spotting and then resemble something from Carrie. I'm not getting at that I think I might be PG, more that I am worried something weird is going on, just when my body needs to be predictable for the natural IVF!

Sorry not to name check everyone - work is getting busier!

Indeed euro why do we get the weird cycles exactly when they are the most unhelpful? Glad you are feeling good bout upcoming IVF though. Due to my strange cycle and alot of stress at work I have failed to make my appointment for the second round. The idea was go in with timing for LP, discuss and start then if LP or in a week or so if SP. I just can't face it so I've turned it around. Go in for SP timing and wait a few extra weeks if its LP. It drags the whole thing out a bit but it is what it is.

joy great news on the 2 on board. I will think of you and wishing you lots of luck.

sar I'm so sorry things don't look as good as you were told and very odd the verbal version was so different. I'm thinking of you and hoping you are working though all this.

pout great to hear about your lovely new place, I can't remember if I said so before.

Waves and loves to all.

Joyce, brilliant, brilliant news. How on earth will you not go cuckoo in the next fortnight?! Best of luck, love

Sar, bloody hell, love, is it as bad as it sounds? I'm so sorry you've had such a nasty surprise - what happens now?

Euro, totally excited for you and I wouldn't worry that your menstrual flow is different.

Doll, don't really understand your post but then again I'm crap with all this IVF stuff. I hope this system you are talking about works for you though.

I am just back from the hospital where I actually got to see the elusive Dr. Willetts as opposed to one of his simpering female minions. I wept almost immediately (I didn't even have to conjure up images of dead relatives) and asked for an HSG. He said, 'I will do whatever you want'. I tried hard not to blurt out 'can you go down on me right here, doctor?' (he was devilishly handsome - a real silver fox in cashmere). He offered me the laparoscopy & hysteroscopy, which I now realise is the lap & dye. He also asked if i agreed to an endometrial 'scratch' which , in studies, has been proved to result in more pregnancies (it aids implantation). Of course I said yes. I am over the moon. I know they probably won't find owt wrong but, as he put it, at least I will know where I stand when I go for IUI. He told me what I already knew; that IUI does not have sparkling success rates - especially for women my age whose problem probably lies with egg quality. He agreed it's worth a shot when we can't afford IVF (which has a low success rate, too, at my age unless we used donor eggs).

So, the lap & dye is booked for 19th Feb and he told me he will refer me to CARE in Manchester straight after for IUI. He actually said that he believes I will get pregnant naturally, but that my egg quality coupled with Michael's less-than-brilliant sperm means it could take 'goodness knows how long'. In terms of sympathy, attentiveness and willingness to do anything I fancied it was a resounding success.

As I was leaving he drew me to his lap, sat me down on his stiff member, cupped my quivering breast and whispered, 'can I give you a baby, you gorgeous, filthy whore?'.....and then I woke up on the bus

Hello all,

Carrying on my post work cafe culture. MrM works late most nights so this is much better than going home and watching stupid things on telly. I am still reading about you lovely ladies so not ignoring TTC but at home last night i actually stumbled across pregnancy surprise announcements on YouTube and didn't immediately shut down the ipad - how pathetic can I get??

Thanks all for the positive reaction to exercise. We'll see how well I keep it up. I really want MrM to focus on losing some weight as he has his father's stomach already and I can't very well ask him to do it if I don't do my fair share.

rabbit I avoided exercise for a long time after last year's op. being anaemic afterwards meant I had no energy and then was really unfit when I finally decided to try again. Side effects from the downregging include flying off the handle or bursting into tears for no good reason - pretty much like me Pre Af. I'm still getting the sweats but I think that they are decreasing in frequency on the hrt. Hope you're feeling much better today.

sar I am so sorry about the results. I really wish I could just watch a video of my surgery and hear everything they say during it because sometimes they seem to contradict themselves. Does it help to know that there is a definite reason why things might not have worked before? Do you feel that the adhesions they removed and the tube they worked on will now be in much better shape for future ivf attempts? Try to think of all of the positive advice you've given me

joy enjoy your mn holiday and we'll see you soon.

Glad your wobble is passed buzzy and the life coaching can continue in some form. It has done you a world of good.

euro I'm sure our bodies react to us feeling that a cycle is really important by behaving differently. Hang in there and all will be well.

doll will you have the same doctors this time?

mrsd one bed all the way!!!! I had some really lovely ladies in my four bed nhs room but one was really quite ill and the poor thing was being sick all night. The result, of course, being that none of us slept for more than about an hour at a time. Having my own toilet would also have been brilliant.....

Must go so big waves to the rest of you!

Just popping in to say hurrah Joycep and good luck, I've been thinking of you and keeping everything crossed for a positive in 12 days' time. I also ended up with 2 embies out of 13 eggs but it was enough. Take it easy and look after yourself x

Sar I can't believe the difference between the verbal report you got and the new one. I'm not surprised you're unsettled. Hope you get some consultant time soon to talk through what it means and what they can do. And hope the new job is going well.

I haven't much time, got a report to finish so can't catch up properly though I have been reading. Waves to everyone, especially newbies. Good to hear positive news about new houses/ new jobs/ voluntary work/ impending IVF cycles/ treatment plans, boo to illness (I've had it too Rabbit, fecking sick of it now) and constant waiting... but sending tail feather shakes, warrior cries and sparkly knob-waves to you all

x-posted... just had to pop back to say wow Viv your doctor sounds terrific even without the dream sequence . What a result. I had my IVF at Care in Manchester and the staff there were fantastic so you will be in good hands. But how encouraging to hear him say he thinks you will get there naturally - hope that's given you a boost.

Madness glad the HRT is easing your symptoms. Your cafe culture habit sounds great!

Just popping in to say: go nest little joy embies! I am keeping everything crossed for the two to settle well!

And sorry about the lap results sar. That sounds totally bewildering and inconsistent. GRRR at them. Hopefully it will have helped the bit you needed though!

Exciting euro EC in about a fortnight! Sorry the body is doing odd things, although my new mantra is: "this is all part of the normal cycle, until proven otherwise" as an attempt not to menkul. Thankfully work has been quite full on and I am out 4 out of the next 6 nights, so I can't spend any time wondering.

Yay for the homely house, pout that sounds wonderful and you do deserve a break! The previous place sounds rubbish, but if things are fate, you had to be there, perhaps to get to the top of the waiting list for ivf?

I am keeping loads of stuff crossed for feeling better on HRT, madness. I think snapping an ipad closed sounds like a mild response to surprise pregnancy announcements! But yay for café culture, it sounds lovely!

Your doc is wonderful, viv. Good luck with the lap and hysteo, fingers crossed the scratching will allow a happy implantation.

Taking a break sounds good, doll, if you're not ready for it all now. And the delay will only be a few weeks! Also, aren't you thinking abotu SP anyway? Did they ever say what they learned from ivf?

buzzy yay for turning the corner on the miz front, and for coaching people at work! Post-poning for a few months seems sensible, also May is a better time in Czech republic

How are you mrsd? And the others? Failing on the complete name check! Sorry!!

Welcome to the newbies!!

euro sorry AF has arrived, you sound so calm and ready for IVF

viv glad you had a good appointment

art I have been looking at Care,

bear don't get rid of them just yet, you never know

joy fingers crossed for you

sar that is unsettling, I wonder why they did not go into some it with you face to face.

Well we had our confirmation for May, now I am having a wobble about it, thinking should I try with my own, knowing we only get one shot at it, do I really want to have to take all those drugs to DR. What will happen if it doesn't works, can I really go through with adoption, oh well on we go

Indeed, Art, it has given me a boost. It was a good reminder that, with being ancient a little older, conceiving can take time. Thanks, too, Lemon and Buzzy. Buzzy, do try to keep the demons away that would tell you that you're doing the wrong thing. Remember the reasons why you have opted for this treatment and why you decided on donor eggs. This won't be any reassurance to you whatsoever, but if I were in your shoes, I would do exactly what you are doing. Take courage in yourself and your decisions x

Euro-once again we are cycle twins, hope this cycle behaves and not long now,, very excited for you.

Viv- what a great consultation and how reassuring.

Doll -small break can be helpful and things happen for a reason. Will you do sp next time?

Buzz-that is a dilema sweetheart as it is important to feel totally comfortable with your decision. What did your consultant advice? Would a second round of ivf if needed ever be an option? I know we woukd struggle with those costs but just putting thoughts out there. Could you possibly start a thread asking for those who have been in your situation to share stories.

Madness-thanks for your good advice in return.

Thanks for the responses about my report. Overall, my current state is probably the same as what I learnt after the lap, mildly damaged fallopian tubes and some endo removed. But I had been given the impression that other than the ligament endo removal, things were not touched. I now know that in order to get my tubes filling and spilling (stil have mild tubal disease regardless of this fact) quite a bit of surgucal effort went in to untethering the right tube from the bowel. Least I now know why I was in surgery for 2 hours and in so much pain after. Add to that more endo patches also and an awkward cervix which refused to be dilated. So my chances are the same as last week post lap-slim chance i could conceive naturally with higher chance of eptopic. Dh is pleased with the report weirdly as it shows a significant thing was found and addressed instead of not much to comment on. But the consultant still seems to think fet and ivf is our best chance. Heart was told the opposite after her lap when her findings were similar to mine and to continue au natural. Anyhow, we are fine and dh is looking forward to proving the consultant wrong, hmmmmm, will try and think those nice thoughts. And even if we do have to head for fet in march, then great, hopefully our chances are better after my little tidy up.

Interestingly my period came today although its been hard to tell where post lap spotting ends and period begins. I have had no mild cramps or thick heavy bleeding if this is cd1. Hmmmm, interestin, maybe I have had some endo symptoms after all.

Euro-once again we are cycle twins, hope this cycle behaves and not long now,, very excited for you.

Viv- what a great consultation and how reassuring.

Doll -small break can be helpful and things happen for a reason. Will you do sp next time?

Buzz-that is a dilema sweetheart as it is important to feel totally comfortable with your decision. What did your consultant advice? Would a second round of ivf if needed ever be an option? I know we woukd struggle with those costs but just putting thoughts out there. Could you possibly start a thread asking for those who have been in your situation to share stories.

Madness-thanks for your good advice in return.

Thanks for the responses about my report. Overall, my current state is probably the same as what I learnt after the lap, mildly damaged fallopian tubes and some endo removed. But I had been given the impression that other than the ligament endo removal, things were not touched. I now know that in order to get my tubes filling and spilling (stil have mild tubal disease regardless of this fact) quite a bit of surgucal effort went in to untethering the right tube from the bowel. Least I now know why I was in surgery for 2 hours and in so much pain after. Add to that more endo patches also and an awkward cervix which refused to be dilated. So my chances are the same as last week post lap-slim chance i could conceive naturally with higher chance of eptopic. Dh is pleased with the report weirdly as it shows a significant thing was found and addressed instead of not much to comment on. But the consultant still seems to think fet and ivf is our best chance. Heart was told the opposite after her lap when her findings were similar to mine and to continue au natural. Anyhow, we are fine and dh is looking forward to proving the consultant wrong, hmmmmm, will try and think those nice thoughts. And even if we do have to head for fet in march, then great, hopefully our chances are better after my little tidy up.

Interestingly my period came today although its been hard to tell where post lap spotting ends and period begins. I have had no mild cramps or thick heavy bleeding if this is cd1. Hmmmm, interestin, maybe I have had some endo symptoms after all.

Oooops double message

sarlat how odd that we are not only cycle twins but seem to be having similarly unusually light and uncrampy periods!

buzz I think I'm resigned rather than calm and ready, but it ends up at the same place, more or less!

I'm glad you had a good consultation, viv.

all right everybody. joycep great news, fingers crossed for you. viv I am glad you had a good doctor's appointment

I have managed to start growing an egg sans Clomid this cycle which is good because I am sure it's that horrible drug that is making me lose my hair. It's only a little one at 13mm so a few days to go yet before IUI Mark 4.

Fingers crossed for spontaneous follicle and lucky fourth IUI, freedom!

Sorry about the saul seraching buzz. Do think about it carefully, it is difficult and shitty. I wish I could magic enough money out of thin air to fund a round of both, own eggs and donor. But having said that you seem to have thought about it plenty already and it might also just be the normal cold feet, because it is scary!

Enjoy the lack of cramps euro and sar. It does sound like perhaps you did have some endo-symptoms sar and it is definitely good if they ease off. I agree with your DH that having found and fixed something is good. Although the risk of ectopic is not great. I really hope you get a mellow surprise before FET. Massive good luck euro on your venture back into IVF land. Good that you feel in a better place about it all, and thankfully there won't be any drugs to knock you sideways off course!

Waves and tail feathershakes to the rest of you!

Hi ladies,

I hope you don't mind me joining you.

I have actually been on this thread before a few months ago but left for a while as I really wanted to not think about fertility stuff.

joycep I think we have exchanged msgs and posts before. I'm so pleased to hear you are well on your well with the Ivf. Good luck. I really hope it's a positive outcome for you.

freedom I see you are having your 4th iui. I would love to hear about you experience of it. I'm just waiting for my af so I can start my first with. Clomid. I really don't know what to expect.

By way of intro, I have been ttc for more than 3 yrs. All my tests (fsh 4 lap and dye, lapo and amh - 23, ovarian reserve 7 have come back fine) dh tests are all good too. I just turned 35 dh is 39. The ttc didn't start getting to me until around Aug last year when something clicked that I really can't do it naturally.

My af is late of course. I'm literally counting the hours until I can start to take the clomid. I'm feeling quite sad and angry generally at the moment (pmt) I think. Not helped my knowing I have to go to a dinner tonight and one of the ladies there just got pregnant on her honeymoon. Never thought I would be like this but I'm dreading it. . I really don't like myself like this.

seaaviewaisa welcome! I posted this for viv before but here's a slightly cut down version cut and past for you

my experience of IUI - around cycle day 3 I go and see my doctor. He writes me a perscription for clomid (actually clomifen as I am in foreign lands but it is the same thing). half a tablet every 2 days. I am also on my woman hormone drugs becuase I have high male hormones. then, like euro I stop taking clomid at about day 11 I think and go in for a scan to see if there are any eggs. Usually, it is a bit slow. Around day 19 scans show I finally manage to produce an egg. I inject myself in the stomach with Brectavid (hCG) and then next day DH produces a sperm offering in a cup, I run down the clinic with it under my arm to keep warm. Then the sperm is given a good scrub. An hour later the sperm is injected via cathetar injection tube thing by a doctor up my fanjo into the womb where it hangs out looking for an egg. This is no more uncomfortable than a smear, just relax and think of nice things. Then my doctor shows me on the screen the white blob of sperm with a dildo cam. Then I put my kit back on and we have a chat about the motility of the sperm he just injected. Then we shake hands and I toddle off home to wait. The end.