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TTC 10+ months thread 12

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buzzybee123 · 21/12/2012 13:56

A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

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sarlat · 13/01/2013 12:48

Rabbit - aw poor thing, sorry you are under the weather. Take as much time away from work as you needed. Yes I think poorly episodes may mean increased NK cell activity is less likely but I am no expert and it may not be as straight forward as all that.

Euro - I will only be able to come to London if it we meet on a Saturday and preferably not either side of half term due to hotel costs and availability. I will be as flexible as possible. But please go ahead and orgnaise what suits the majority. And thank you very much for organising. xx

Gin - ooo eck, sorry to hear you have soft lady parts and it is understandable that you may prefer to be sedated for transfer - nowt wrong with that in my book. My last FET was during a natural cycle which isn't the norm. They monitor your normal dominant follicle growth and combine this with a positive OPK (digis are better for this purpose) as the timming has to be right. Then they pop the embryo back however many days past ovulaiton as how many days old it is. For me, depite the BFN, I loved this process as it was medication and stress free. It suits women with regular periods and good progesterone levels as you need to be able to predict fairly easily when to pop it back but in otherwise the environment is wrong. I got my period exactly when predicted based on my ovulation that cycle so even though it was BFN at least I know the time the blasto went back in was optimum and we didn't mistime it. However, my clinic doesn't like a natural cycle for FET as there is that little bit less control and ovulation can go off once month despite testing. My consultant wants me to go for medicated for the next FET. This will involve downregging and stimming and trigger shot etc in order to predict the right day of transfer with no error. I am not sure how I feel about this. I am partly frightened to do anthing with a smidge of risk but also feel that despite the BFN, my last natural cycle for FET did technically go well. I am going to ask if they will let me do a short protocol version i.e. miss out the downregging bit as I can't see why it is needed for the purposes of FET but I am sure they do have reasons otherwise they wouldn't do it.

My advice to you is ask them if they can let you do a natural FET assuming your cycle is regular and you find predicting ovulation easy. See what they say - either way, assuming the embryo is placed back correctly, apparantly there isn't much in difference in success with medicated being ever so slightly higher for BFP's - but that could be due to some woman mis-timming ovulation in natural cycles I guess rather than the process itself not working.

I plan to do my FET the cycle after next so around March time. How about you?

Joy - any updates? I was sooooo delighted to hear about 11 fertilising. That is a high rate, it is usually about 70% when things are going well. Stay very positive and be very kind to yourself. What wonderful and well deserved news.

Right ladies, new job starts tomorrow. That snuck up like a thief in the night. I am feeling much better and have to say that since my reflexology session on Friday, my bowels and bladder have snapped back in to line and the bloat has all gone. Good job as I need to put that new shift dress on tomorrow morning. I feel quite well other than sore stomach muscles and a tendancy to get tired early in the evening.

I don't think I will be updating on here as much as I will be getting home from work later and will aim to update couple of times a week maybe. But I am not going anywhere and love you all loads!

Waves to the crew x

ThatWayMadnessLies · 13/01/2013 12:50

Hello lovelies,

I tried to write a big post last night and bloody chrome quit on me just before i hit post. Couldn't be arsed to write it again so went to bed instead Grin

I hope you're feeling better today rabbit and getting Hare to take very good care of you.

When will you get your next update joy? Waiting with baited breath up here.

I'm sure everyone's wonderful on Facebook buzzy I'm just really cautious about the Internet. This is the only time I've ever posted anything on an online forum and I'm not confident about making the leap to Facebook. I'd be happier to meet people in person than do more online ifyswim.... Oh and I'm not abroad. Just north of the border so a bit of a trek to get to the big smoke Smile

lemon the thought of triplets makes me a bit Shock as well. Twins I could deal with, even knowing it is higher risk, but two of us with three babies would be quite the challenge...... Not that I'd send them back mind Wink

Ok will name check more later. Have forgotten what I said last night!

Here's my summary for the newbies:
Madness (34) MrM (37) TTC 2.5 years, stage IV endometriosis
Laparoscopy x 2
Left tube removed
Decapeptyl (downregging) until hopefully IVF in April 2013

ThatWayMadnessLies · 13/01/2013 12:53

Cross post sar glad you're feeling better and good luck for tomorrow!!!

buzzybee123 · 13/01/2013 13:27

sar good luck for tomorrow :) You'll be fab at it and don't worry about the boss

rabbit Hope you are feeling better today

viv I'm, prepared to try most things to get what I want, I personally can't say that DHEA has been as bad as other stuff I have taken, mainly spots and perhaps an increase of headaches Hmm but if it helps improve my chances then so be it Grin if you look online some places do special deals on co enzyme, i think I use simplysupplements for mine

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joycep · 13/01/2013 13:46

Sar - i'm intrigued that a medicated FET cycle involves the whole downregging and stimulating again...surely that's just another round of ivf?? Long protocols are suppose to get more success at ivf aren't they, i wonder if that it's why they want to downreg you. How were you with the downregging? I am glad you are feeling much better and will be in tip top shape for your new job tomorrow. Wishing you all the very best for it.

Rabbit - i'm really sorry to hear you are ill. Poor you and hope you have a swift recovery.

Lemon - i'm not green with envy at all at your long haul holiday. haha. Sounds amazing.

Gin - thanks for your words. Hanging on in there. I don't dare to be positive. Really pleased you are being kept busy at work and that it's enjoyable. Exciting that you have your fet to look forward to.

I'm pretty uncomfortable at this end. Not sure what it is but i think it could be trapped wind! I'm on 2 x cyclogests a day and i had no effects from it before but wondering if that's causing it. Of course i'm worrying that it's some infection of some sort. But then i guess i would be ill. When i sit in positions there is this pain that goes through my tummy and back and when i pee the same thing. Hopefully it will pass. But anyone else had this after EC / cyclogest??
So the little ones have split again and so next call tomorrow at how they are doing. I guess they will start to fall off the wayside after today. Roy and i just have to breathe and take each day as it comes. Thanks everyone for being so positive. Thanks

mrsden · 13/01/2013 13:54

The little joys sound like they're doing amazingly well. 11 embryos is fantastic. You should feel very proud! I'm sorry to hear you're uncomfortable though. Have you told the clinic? I think this is the time after ec when ohss can start but Im sure they're monitoring you well.

Sorry you're I'll rabbits. Hope you feel better soon,

Lemon, I'm very jealous of your long haul plans.

Buzzy, where are you going for ivf? Do you get any info about the donor? Im excited for you, that's not long to wait now.

buzzybee123 · 13/01/2013 14:01

mrsd Isn't your op on Tuesday?? I'm hoping to go to Brno in the Czech Republic. DE is all anonymous in Europe, I only find out her age and blood type, which is a little sad as I would like to know more about the woman who has helped us get closer to our dream. They asked me questions like what hair, height and eye colour. I was chatting do a friend of a friend on FB last night and she said she got pregnant the month before they had IVF. It still gives me hope

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mrsden · 13/01/2013 14:33

It's not the actual op on tues, just the appointment with the dr who will blodging it. I'm not quite sure what will happen. Scan and blood test I guess.

I can understand why the rules were changed in the uk, but now it's not anonymous it's had a big impact hasn't it? Will they try to match up your hair, eye colour etc? Not that it matters, genetics is such a funny thing. That's lovely about your friend, It shows there is always hope. How did you choose the clinic? If we get to the stage of needing donor, we will have to go abroad too.

buzzybee123 · 13/01/2013 14:49

I found the place on fertility friend, there are threads just devoted to it, I'm sure there are others but it seems to have a good reputation, there is only so much looking I can do, there were places in Spain and Greece, Cyprus has a clinic but it was a bit too pricey for us. I am waiting to here from a place up north, they have until next week to contact me.

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viviennewestwould · 13/01/2013 20:34

Sar, good luck in the new job tomorrow, love. I start my voluntary work with Manchester's addicts tomorrow. Wish me luck.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 13/01/2013 22:29

Good luck in new (voluntary) roles tomorrow, sar and viv. I really hope it all goes well.

And for buzz, and all the other facing imminent IVF, I am keeping stuff crossed for an irony-diff!

Waves and happy tail feathers, despite a lot of procastination I appear to have produced a paper for my course today!

mrsden · 14/01/2013 07:51

Good luck today sar and viv. I always find the first day nerve wracking but I'm sure you'll both be fine and do great.

I should probably start reading the fertility friends website.

We have loads of snow today, if this was England there is no way I'd have to go to work but everything is too efficient here. So it was snow boots on this morning. I miss the uk snow excitement, no one has even mentioned the snow here today, whereas I can't stop gazing out the window, wish I was out playing in it.

akuabadoll · 14/01/2013 10:09

extra good luck viv and sar for today

mrsden I was out in the snow yesterday, was lovely.

Annoyed at the Doll house, it seems I haven't ov'ed. My OPKs are arctic through to yesterday (last test) at CD 13 (I ov early normally CD10-12) I realise it may still happen and know that both the odd anovulatory cycle is normal and that sometimes women ov without a + OPK but I don't think I have (no post ov boobs and my CM hasn't changed over the cycle so far). Very annoying, I haven't knowingly had this before. I should be making an appointment for possible second ivf but now I feel like I won't know how long this cycle will be. If I decide to go for LP again I could be stuck waiting, while downregging, for ages. why do these things always happen at the wrong time?

mrsden · 14/01/2013 10:21

Doll, I hear your frustration. Nothing can ever be simple and straightforward can it? It is normal to have these odd months though. I'm sure I didn't ovulate last month, I can tell because of cm and boobs too. Is your plan to do another ivf cycle soon then? Are you moving countries too? How is little doll? I always think of his gorgeous smile when I read your posts, thanks so much for sharing that photo.

akuabadoll · 14/01/2013 10:35

ah that's so sweet of you mrsden Little Doll is doing great thanks. Our plans to move are still with us but we don't know when or where, so yes I plan to do a second and I suppose final ivf here (its icsi here actually). I'm not crazy about the idea though as I didn't see what 'was learnt' from the first around. That's what they say right? - the first educates for the second? Mmmm I'm not sure in my case.

Littlebearlost · 14/01/2013 11:28

Can I join you?
I had my ds 3.6yrs ago and conceived first cycle. We have been trying for over a year for dc2. I had retained product after an emergency c section and this caused infection. The dr thinks it has caused scarring to the tubes. I am awaiting further investigations but considering going privately as it is taking so long.
Cycles are regular and I ovulate every month so can only conclude that there is a problem with the tubes. I also get horrific pain on ovulation.
I feel very bitter about the c section as don't think I'd have been in this position had I been able to have a natural birth.

Soph80 · 14/01/2013 11:50

Can I join? TTC 18 months, just started clomid.

Littlebearlost, I was CONVINCED it was my tubes as I had chlamydia twice when I was a teenager (was a silly girl who wouldn't tell her bf 'no' when he wouldn't wear a condom!). Had my HSG and everything was clear. Have you been referred to a fertility specialist yet and had DH checked?
x

Littlebearlost · 14/01/2013 12:08

Waiting on scans and fertility specialist. Dh positive it's not him - as he says nothing has changed with him. Wheras I had the infection and now have the very very painful ovulation. That must mean something is wrong surely? I've just started acupuncture to see if that helps, worth a go!
Soph I have known several people fall pregnant immediately after starting on clomid, although dont really know much about it! X

Poutintrout · 14/01/2013 13:22

Hello to Littlebear and Soph. As always I am sorry that you have reason to be here but welcome!
bear I too can get get quite severe ovulation pain and there is nothing wrong with my tubes. It is something that started quite out of the blue in my thirties.

soph good luck with the Clomid. Do you have PCOS?

Joycep 11 fertilised embies is simply amazing. Wow! Sorry that you are uncomfortable though. I was told that this is normal because the ovaries have been worked harder than normal.

rabbits I have the lurgee too and am lazing around feeling pathetic! Hope you are feeling better than over the weekend.

mrsd It has tried to snow here but it is more sleet now. Good luck for you initial appointment.

doll that is so bloody typical of our stupid bodies. Mine always dicks me around when I least need it too. Maybe you will just have a super late ovulation this month.

Hope that the new jobs went well for you both sarlat and viv I am sure that you will both be great.

lemons I did smile at MrLemons dream about triplets. We had the multiples chat at my appointment and I got the impression that we were being dissuaded from transferring more than one embryo. MrP and I discussed it though and given my age and the looooonnnnng time it has taken us to get absolutely no where on the baby front we will probably (assuming all goes well) opt for two embies. Despite my best efforts for order, our house is often chaotic anyway with the two hounds. Two puking, screaming babies in the mix will just send me into a nervous breakdown just add to the general mayhem! Besides the two dogs will have one baby each to eat play with.

For those who wondered, the new house is great and I love it. We need to get a few new bits of furniture to be able to fully unpack but even though we still aren't straight and I need to make blinds I still feel right at home which is a first for me. I usually wail for weeks about how I want to go back to the old house! For the first time in ages I actually feel pretty upbeat and genuinely happy. I didn't realise how much the old house with all it's damp and mouldy bits was getting me down. I'm now just hoping for an ironic pre-IVF updiff as the icing on the cake

Love and waves to everyone

Soph80 · 14/01/2013 13:34

Littlebearlost - I really hope you're right! I've already (stupidly) started to think about what to buy for the nursery! Doesn't help that our spare room is already a nursey, decorated perfectly in Mamas and Papas wall paper, by the previous owners!

Poutintrout - no! Apart from DHs sperm morphology being only 3%, the docs can't find any reason!

viviennewestwould · 14/01/2013 16:54

Thanks for the good wishes, Lemon, Mrsden, Doll & Pout work was great. Spent the morning doing induction stuff then spent the afternoon working with drug addicts and sex workers at a needle exchange clinic. It felt good being able to empathise and not merely sympathise (and it made my problems pale into insignificance).

Welcome, Soph and Littlebear. Soph, last month was my third cycle on Clomid. Each time I released two eggs and had beautifully high day 21 scores (progesterone). Still not pregnant. I am, however, 41 - how old are you and why have they put you on Clomid (you don't have to answer that - they chuck it at everyone, it seems)? I don't want to dash your hopes about Clomid leading to pregnancy - I just thought I'd give you my experience. Two women over on the Clomid thread have recently got pregnant but they weren't ovulating before being prescribed the drug. I fear the pregnancy rates are shit for those of us already ovulating.

Sar, hope your first day went smoothly and you felt at home.

Soph80 · 14/01/2013 17:27

viviennewestwould I think I might have just had it chucked at me lol, although I'm not complaining (yet haha). I'm 33. My fertility doc seems to think i might not ovulate 'every' month as my cycles are often irregular. Our biggest concern is DHs sperm morphology is 3% but the doc said it was nothing to worry about.

buzzybee123 · 14/01/2013 17:38

:(

joy so what is happening, when is ET or has it happened??

sar hope your first days went well

viv glad your day went well

mrsd I will always be excited about snow :) it just helps to look at other websites from time to time, FF has information on flights, accommodation, things to see, which tram to get to the clinic etc etc.

doll it is frustrating when you don't know what is happening I had 2 dud months last year and this is now my second cycle where I have ovulated later than normal Hmm it could still happen, the body is a bloody annoying mysterious thing. Keep peeing on the sticks for a few more days and get a bit of action in for good measure

bear and soph welcome to the group, bear sperm can change quite alot, it might be worth having him tested

euro where are you in your miraculous updiffness before IVF cycle??

rabbit hope you are feeling a little better

pout I was thinking I could do with some blinds here, I might need to hire you to make me bespoke window dressings :) glad you are feeling happier and settled into your new home, finger crossed for your new home updiffess

Well I've had a hell of a Monday, much confusion on of my own making Grin starting to have a bit of a wobble about the whole IVF thing, if only I could chose a baby like you do your pet Grin life would be so simple

waves to everyone

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Poutintrout · 14/01/2013 18:05

buzzy "making blinds" probably sounds more impressive than it actually is! I'm going to have a bash at Swedish blinds which are basically big panels of fabric rolled up by cord. Trouble is the windows are freakishly big here and I will need a massive amount of fabric. Am toying with using duvet covers!

I know what you mean about IVF wobbles. I keep wondering whether I should force something that the universe obviously isn't delivering to me. Utterly ridiculous I know but I have always been brought up with the mantra "everything happens for a reason" and it's hard to snap out of that mindset.
Grin at the idea of babies being like choosing a pet. I said exactly that to MrP last week.

soph I am unexplained & apparently ovulate on my own but had a couple of goes of Clomid anyway. I read that it is a cheap treatment that gives a stronger ovulation with better eggs. Obviously there is the added benefit of sometimes more than one egg being produced and more targets for the sperm to hit. I think I read that Clomid in ovulating women boosts your chances of success each month by a few percent.

viv glad to hear that you enjoyed your first day. It is good to think of something else and give our brains a break from being totally consumed by TTC!

Soph80 · 14/01/2013 18:32

Poutintrout if "everything really does happen for a reason" then the IVF will work!

I'll take however small a percent I can get atm lol. Its reassuring to know that my ovulation might be stronger with better eggs. Not sure why doc started me on 100mg though as most people seem to start on 50mg.