This thread is the one the Rat Smacketeers all become PSEPP and we are Brooking No Argument this is the case. Fact.

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Ladies this thread is the one, I can feel it in my water [although maybe that's the drugs ], here you go

Oh Keep that's just so unfair!!! You will have a great time when your mum gets there too!

Aww thanks Biscuits

biscuits nicely put, thank you. I really really really appreciate the support here from people who understand.

biscuits are you/would you plan another baby? Ignore if too nosy.

aargh just wrote a long message and lost it

sweetie so sorry about the news from the nurse, but don't give up hope yet ((hugs))

keep Boring and annoying, yeh right . Though even my mum, who is usually lovely, said to me we should enjoy the trying, double , but seeing as me and my bro were both instadiffs I suppose its not surprising she doesn't get it. I'm sure she will be supportive when I tell her we're probably heading for IVF but I'm waiting till we know for sure until I say something.

And on a cheerier note we are indeed cycle buddies, but as my boobs are already mega sore maybe I'm a bit further along than you. I'm trying not to think about it - did you hear that universe? I'm relaxing and not thinking about it :o

Lovely to see you biscuits how is your probably-not-so-little one?

Grrr Keep it was a stupid thing for your dsis to say. People really can't understand if they have not been through it. Biscuits as usual speaks a lot of sense . A close friend of mine once made a similarly stupid comment. I asked her (she got pg second cycle of ttc) to think back to how disappointed she was that 1st month when she didnt get pg and to try multiplying that feeling by 20 odd cycles plus the fear it may never happen. She was very apologetic (then I felt a bit mean for unleashing my craziness )

Solars Hope the wind isn't too uncomfortable are you doing any accupuncture/relaxation CDs in the 2ww?

Sweetie you are a brooking inspiration! I was down in the dumps the other day. After reading your messages I felt a bit ashamed of my negative attitude. We are all brookers & we will all get our babies one way or another. Brooking for you to get the ivf draw.

Beedle sore boobs you say when is your BFP due?

Waves to Maybe, Imps, Boo, Sparks, Face and LurkingScarlett

I've been to the GP over IVF referral, will grab a cup of tea and be back to update you all.

Just seconding Biscuits on the impact of prolonged TTC. The 'private' anxiety levels are awful and then on top of that you are constantly fending off platitudes and other people's ignorant opinions (just when you were seeking support and someone to listen), even (sometimes more often) from people that love you and you love. Everything seems tested by TTC/fertility - including your most precious relationships.

Keep - you're doing brilliantly and remember that. And you will win. It took me and Biscuits around 1.5yrs to get diffed with our DC2s (still pg2 in my case) after our instadiff DC1s - like that one - so we have seen both ends of the scale. Of course we are incredibly lucky to have our families but personally I have really felt a good deal of compassion for women across the board; it's well tough whether you're avoiding pregnancy, too easily pg (I know a few, despite all their constructive efforts to avoid it), TTC forever, going through IVF, can only cope with 1 child, need 8 children to feel happy. It's all life-defining isn't it?

Solars - stay positive, you will get there (and fab idea to have booked a hol).

Beedle - not quite sure how far you've got along the IVF route? Were you 'unexplained'?

Big hugs to everyone here and well done for your determination and GSOH.

Right I went to see my GP over the IVF referral. She has already spoken to them & they have said they will not accept us until we have been ttc for 3 years. However she has sent them the letter from the specialist which states the only treatment option for us is to progress to IVF. She was very nice & understanding. She says she thinks we should count our ttc journey from when I last took the pill. I stopped the pill in may 2010 ( I had only been on it for 2 months before stopping anyway as it had too many side effects). However we didn't officially try until November that year. So basically she says they will have to accept us in may next year. I feel really relieved as I feel I can wait for the referral in may a lot easier than I can wait for November! She says she is also willing to keep putting the referral in every 2 months in the meantime in the hope they will just give in and accept us earlier.
So at least we have a plan. I think that for the next couple of months we will stop ttc. Obviously we won't use protection but we are not even going to SWI. We have agreed to only dtd if and when we want to.

Btw am totally of Keeps weekend plans. I'm off to Blackpool on Sunday for my dsis birthday. Apparently it's going to rain all weekend

Cup Glad you dont have to wait for November as well!!

My best friend once said to me that she felt guilty for not wanting children when there is nothing wrong with her, I had to explain to her that I didnt think anything was wrong with me until we started TTC. People can be so insensitive!! Same friend also told me at the weekend I had ever such fuzzy hairy arms, er yes, that would be the PCOS, thanks very much!! She didnt know that I'd done a hpt in her bathroom that'll show her it wont really but it made me feel better

Cup - that sounds brilliant about the GP and persistence. I think you are very wise to get your sex life back to how you want it and take the pressure off. You must feel v relieved. Brooking for a lovely few months enjoying life and knowing that your referral will take less than a whole effin year.

Why didn't your so-called friend suggest you join the circus, Sparks - honestly she sounds like a twonk? I would leave the HPT out for her to have a damn good squizz - let's see what she's got to say about that.

xxx

Forgot to mention that the baby is head down already (29wks), which is positive. Just need the little spider to stay that way up.

29 weeks tock

No we're not unexplained, MrB hasn't got very good sperm. I've just had a HSG and he needs to do another sample and then its back to the clinic to go on the waiting list for IVF (I think). Unfortuneatly my plans for an ironic post-HSG BFP have been thwarted by MrB getting some kind of UTI, not that he'll go to the doctors to get it treated of course. Do you think its acceptable to beat your partner about the head with a heavy frying pan to knock some sense into him in these circumstances? :o

cups I'm glad your GP is prepared to bend the truth a little, and to persist with the referral on your behalf. Even if a 3 year wait is completely rubbish.

sparks some people really do open their mouths before engaging their brains!

Bugger! That's rotten Beedle - heavy frying pan or baseball bat totally in order. You have my permission . As a fellow sufferer of poor sperm-offerings I wish you all the v best, dear brooker. Remember, Chinese medicine worked miracles for us. Apparently there was far too much stress in DP's life. What about MrB? I still hope that the HSG works - it makes you nice and fertile for 2-3 cycles dontyaknow?

Yes, 29 weeks already. Iron levels a bit low so suffering a bit of lethargy/weariness which makes me feel guilty. But actually I've been v lucky to be getting along quite nicely even though I'm 41 in a couple of weeks.

Evening' all

tock not sure which I am most about, 29 weeks or 41 years young. I remember the tough time you went through and now look at you, all engaged and everything

Beedle I think the odd occasion of DH beating with frying pan is wholly acceptable for ttc emergencies. He is a man so it actually might take more than that. Have you tried plying him with cranberry juice for his UTI? You never know

Sparks I now can not believe how insensitive people can be, but I also think we are more sensitive because of what we are going through. I am sure I have said things in my pre-ttc days that would have been very hurtful to those in a similar position to me now. I just never gave it a thought, and of course didn't mean it in a hurtful way. at least you get the last laugh my lovely.

cup sounds like GP is playing the system on your behalf. At least may is really only just after Christmas honest it will be here before you know it. I think just SFF will do you both no end of good, it is such as shame but try to remain positive.

keep you lucky thing to have beach as an after work option that must be so nice. Again I am sure super fertile SiL didn't mean anything, I always think emails and texts can easily be misunderstood in a way conversation are not. My SiL is also super fertile and I sort of dread the prospect of an announcement of another arrival.

Solars I never had any side effect, unpleasant or otherwise, with any of the treatment. I think my hormones are just too set in their ways, a bit like turning a tanker. I am glad you are ok and still brooking my socks off that your little embie is settling in now for the long haul.

Boo scan already!! That is amazing news, can not wait to hear all about it Monday, what time are you off?

No news here, no AF, which should have been due on a normal cycle. But with everything that has gone on things may take a little while to get back to normal. Feel a bit PMTy so I am sure it is only a matter of time. We are off to Liverpool tomorrow for the weekend, to see deacon blue. DH choice natch so we are staying over to make the most of it. I am actually looking forward to it now it has arrived. Pup will be having her first sleep over too, I really hope she is good. I have posted my letter to enter the Lister draw too, so we are in the lap of the Gods brooker now.

Hope everyone has a lovely weekend planned and I will catch up with you all late Sunday.

Keep I had always hoped to have two dc and now have the two ds's. a third was a vague consideration but there are a number of reasons why we probably wouldn't have any more. One of those reasons is undoubtedly that I would be reluctant to start down the ttc path knowing how hard it turned out to be to get ds2. There are other reasons too though. Like DH has worked out that each extra child = him working for 10 more years to pay for them , our house works nicely with the two dc, etc. but I would say the ttc 'scars' probably just seal the deal on not having another. Prior to ds2 I had thought that maybe after having ds2 it might be nice to not exactly try for a third but perhaps be a bit lax with 'not trying' iyswim. Not make a concerted effort but perhaps not bother with contraception and just see what happened. However I now know that that could never happen. I could never be so laid back about it (and probably shouldn't leave it to chance whether we have a child or not!)

It was odd because with ds1 we got pg 2nd mth of trying but had a mc. Then we got pg 3rd month the next time and that was ds1. So it was something of a surprise that it took so long to get pg this time around.

So I suppose that is a long way of saying 'probably not any mor

I don't know what I would think if ds2 was my first - I guess I would want a second enough to start ttc again but I would be going into it with a much more wary outlook!

Hope that makes sense

Aw - thanks Sweetie - it is funny to think of an old codger like me finally tying the knot. Could say I'm a bit of a late starter, eh? Anyway - no AF you say? I'm gonna keep checkin' in and hoping this is your month...xxxx

Hope everyone is having a lovely weekend so far?!

We had date night yesterday, movies and dinner! We watched Looper which I highly recommend, acting great, story line great and not confusing at all!

Cups looks like you'll be getting referred sooner rather than later which sounds good. As Biscuits mentioned the mental scars of long term ttc can be really difficult to cope with so it must feel great to at last feel something is moving in your direction. Fingers crossed you'll hear back from them very soon and what a great idea to have a break from ttc until then! By the way wind only occurs late at night or first thing in the morning so luckily no public have been harmed with my expels! I have been doing acupuncture, I had weekly sessions and then one just before and one after transfer day and she doesn't recommend any sessions in the 2ww, but she did say if I had any spotting to come back and see her. I'm also listening to the relaxation cds, I have 2 different types so it doesn't get too boring!

Clicking 41 i'm still getting over the shock of turning 40 not sure I ever will

Beedle I hope you've knocked some sense into that there DH of yours?

Keep hope you had a nice time at the beach! I've been browsing winter sun holidays this morning! The clinic says that we shouldn't leave the uk until 4 weeks after our test result (whatever the outcome) but i'm so tempted to fly out somewhere warm :(

Sweetie dear I am sure the next time ivf cycle will be tailored to you i.e. you get the right medications that will help you. I do feel on the nhs cycle that they perhaps im probably wrong though just have a one system fits all with little variation to suit the patient. But I guess it is difficult to know how you will react to the meds though, so the first cycle is perhaps part of a learning curve and therefore can be improved upon. Brooking you get drawn for the Lister! Hope you had fun watching deacon blue!

Sparkes sounds like your friend has foot in mouth syndrome, it can happen to the best of us hope you're ok!

I had a great day out shopping on Friday, however I didn't come back with as much stuff as I had hoped, 1 pair of leggings, a jumper and a new pie dish, is it just me or my age but there just doesn't seem to be very exciting stuff in the shops at the moment?

Forgot to add, good luck Boo for your scan tomorrow!

Hello brookers, a quick post, as I have much to catch up on, have been hollibobbing in Devon!

Munx lovely, if you are watchingm the answer is yes please, but I cannot for love nor money reply to your message!!

Right, off to catch up brookers, but I'd anyone would like to fill me in, that would be great.

But an enough ous, humongous congrats for the lovely Sparks. There is not that makes me happier than an ironic BfP

solars agree most of the stuff in the shops is pants, unless you go a little more high end but then who can afford to do that? I totes live on eBay at the moment!!! Getting closer to testing day?! Squeeee!!

maybe glad to have you back, and thanks lovely!

boo good luck tomorrow

Glad you agree with me about my friend, she's actually my best mate but she's always had a serious issue of speaking before she thinks!! She's always there when I need her though so I 100% forgive her each and every time mug

Morning all,

I have had a proper catch up now.

Sweetie I'm so sorry about the AMH nightmare. I am more than sure that you will get some answers. And you will get your brooking baby x

Cups I'm so pleased your GP is fighting your corner for you. I'm brooking for a BFP before May still though.

Solars you really are taking this all in your stride. I hope I amas calm and collected as you. I'm keeping everything crossed for Thursday.

Keep I'm so glad you have a plan in place now. I think it makes you feel so much better about things. Here's hoping for a Christmas BFP.

Beedle it is perfectly acceptable to smack OHs round the head. Hope poor MrB is feeling better.

It's so lovely to see you Tock

Well done jen for all your fundraising!

Scarlett hope you're holing up ok.

Well, as for me, had a nice week in Devon with in laws and lovely baby niece. Twunt boss is making my life hell. But upshot is MrMaybe as a scan today, a scan wednesday and follow up on Thursday. So am hoping to be able to ring the fertility nurse on Thursday to get IVF ball rolling. Though I'm half expecting MrMaybeto test positive for the CF gene, so I know I will have to be tested too. Can you all brook that at least one of us has a healthy gene? Thanks brookers

Morning, I will catch up properly later, had the scan this morning, baby boo all fine 12 weeks and 3 days old and wouldn't sit still.

Oh Boo that's fantastic news!

that's excellent news boo
Can we give baby boo a name now? I suggest baboo or booby :o :o