This thread is the one the Rat Smacketeers all become PSEPP and we are Brooking No Argument this is the case. Fact.

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Ladies this thread is the one, I can feel it in my water [although maybe that's the drugs ], here you go

keep lucky you that your insurance company covers IVF, mine don't either.

Maybe fx crossed on the CF result too

Solars glad your cold is feeling better too, I have had a stinking cold too DH says now he has it that it is flu - obviously

Scarlett I am glad your day got off to a good start, December seems a long way off for your next consultation

At my appointment I only saw the nurse, who was very nice, but could only do the preggo test to tell me it was negative. She did say I will need a Failed Cycle Review. At the appointments desk I told them I would like this with a consultant or I would pay to see a consultant as we really need proper guidance of next steps rather than waffle we have had to date from registrars. Anyway they rang me with a NHS consultant appointment for 31st oct. I am warming to doing a natural cycle, as I only got my single egg on full stims, if they will let us do this as I am just not sure about egg donor which I think is our only other option. Does anyone know waiting times for donors? Does it vary depending where you go?

That is high isn't it, brooking for the cf result Maybe

I think you did right, insisting on seeing a consultant Sweetie I really don't know about egg donors but I reckon the waiting list will vary depending on where you go, maybe worth checking out the websites of the clinics you might be interested in to see if they have any information or even ringing them? Hope you're doing ok otherwise? Are you back at work soon or do you get to spend more time with that gorgeous pup of yours?

yes, we are lucky. It's not normal health insurance, but all-singing all-dancing ex-pat insurance, provided by DH's company. I'm not going to count my chickens yet, but at least they said all lab tests and consultations would be covered without having to get approval, and then if we are recommended treatment (i'm sure we would be) we have to get their approval.

maybe i am brooking for the test result, but 4% isn't that high, and then even if you have it they can select the embryos. It made me a bit mad yesterday, actually, while researching IVF places here. Lots of them offer gender selection, and apparently lots of Indians come here to choose the sex of their baby. Argh!

sweetie glad you're getting to see the consultant. Do you not get another NHS shot then? I don't know about egg donation, but I think some people on the Assisted Conception thread are using egg donors. I have heard it's a long wait in some places though.

solars glad you're feeling better. Not long till Friday. GROW FOLLIES GROW!!!

AF due by Thursday. I have familiar cramps SIGH

Hi all, I'm in shock and very nervous [shaking] as I just went through my regular testing regime this morning and a tiny little line appeared on HPT - took a couple more brands and darker on those. It is so so early too. I'm so happy but so so so worried after the MC last time. How can I make it stick xxx

OMG Snow congratulations, brooking for a sticky bean. How early have you tested? when was af due?

Thanks Princess - I'm only 11 dpo so AF really due today so I think its very early - didn't even think you could find out this early really. I just hope hope hope it sticks x

I can completely understand why you would be so nervous, but how exciting too :) look after yourself, will you be offered any early scans after last time?

Do many places let you have early scans?

snow congrats. ive always been an early tester usually a day to two before af is due so yes u can find out early. a first response can tell you 6days early! good for impatient people like me.
i understand your nerves to. an epu will see you im sure. my midwife lied when i wanted an early scan and said i didnt know my dates to get me an early scan so im sure u'll be able to get one. although sometimes they do more harm than good x

Yeah I understand that but would like it I think x

then im sure you'll be able to get one x

Wow, huge congratulations snow. Remind us of your story? How long have you been trying? Good luck on trying to get an early scan, but be aware that they can not always be helpful if you go too early, and don't see a heartbeat, and it's just too early.

BFN for me this morning, done sneakily while DH was still asleep. Of course I'm not surprised, but it all still blows. AF due on Thursday, and no spotting yet. If she's coming, I wish she'd just come, so we can get on with the next cycle. Strangely enough I am feeling quite a sense of relief to think about getting treatment in the next few months. I think the hardest time for me was about 9-12 months, when it was becoming clear that there was an issue, but still any hope of treatment seemed far off.

Scarlett I hope that you have managed to smack that rat good and proper as per doctor's orders. We are all brooking the right tube wafted over to grab it, and it's just nestling in nicely as we speak.

Hope everyone else is ok, it's been a bit quiet in here?? Am brooking for you all

solars is your first stim scan today? good luck my love, fx for you x

keep boooooooo to BFN but glad you feel ok about it iykwim

I have been ta smacking as per doctors orders and threw in a last ditch one this morning may do the same tomorrow, it can't hurt! I went for my booked acu session yesterday to continue with body prep for implantation and will go tomorrow for what would have been post-transfer just incase wafty tube did its job

Lots of ifs and buts but am trying to stay positive and lying on right side at all available opportunities

Failing that, am looking forward to a couple of months of not thinking about it all, we have booked a long weekend away later this month so will book a cottage somewhere deserted & take puppydog to the seaside for his first holiday, very very very looking forward to that!

sweetie I cringe inside when people ask me if I've thought about donor eggs so I know what you mean, I think it takes a while to get your head round, if ever. There are some lovely people on the assisted conception thread going through DE IVF at the moment so pop your head in if you are passing, however for me I feel like as long as there's a chance I can do it with my own eggs then I'll keep trying, I don't know why doctors seem to want to push me towards that when I've blatantly got eggs of my own, just because I've a few less than normal.

Morning all.

Solars good luck today lovely x

Scarlett I'm brooking hard that the wafty tube has wafted its magic. Hope the accu is nice and relaxing. The weekend away sounds lovely, just what the doctor ordered.

Snow congratulations!

Sorry about the BFN Keep. I agree, the 12 month mark was tough, you almost set yourself a goal that you will diffed within a year. Glad you are feeling positive though.

All very very stressful here at the moment, I won't bore you with all the details, but am here brooking for you all x

Howdy ladies!

Firstly congratulations Snow brooking for a sticky bean for you!

Scarlett, Maybe my scan unfortunately isn't today but on Friday, I would love to have one today just to know what was going on in there! Sorry, tmi but I've had a bit more of cm since starting the stims, which is good I think and the first few days I honestly felt my ovaries were awakening again, quite a few twinges then but nothing at the moment! My only issue is I feel constantly full as I'm constantly drinking plenty of water plus I feel like I'm permanently living in the toilet now however they are indeed trivial issues and all in all I feel quite ok and I am trying to keep myself busy!

Scarlett how lovely to have a weekend away to look forward to! We also have a week booked off beginning of November but not booked anywhere yet but a lovely country cottage would suit me just fine! I'm brooking like anything for you x

Keep sorry about bfn, long term ttc has got to be one of the hardest things I've had to face, I hope the relief of assisted conception means you get an ironic BFP very soon!

Maybe is it work related, the stress? Hope you're ok otherwise x

Hope everyone out there including all the lurkers are doing ok!

Brooking right back at you, maybe. Sorry to hear things are bad, how long till you get the cf results?

Sorry Solars a few days early! Glad you feel things are happening in there though! How are you feeling now? Is your cold better?

Thanks Keep! When do you think you'll make your move on the investigations?

The stress is very much work related. Basically my stipend payment is now 2 weeks late. All my bills have come out and completely wiped me out (I only get paid every 12 weeks as it is) so I am unable to afford my extortionate train fare. I explained to my boss via email on Monday morning that I would be working from home due to this, and I received a very nasty threatening email back, so I phoned him, he hurled personal abuse at me and hung up. He then said he was stopping my PhD and I was only to go for a masters instead. Lots and lots of tears and stress my end, but I have finally been able to get hold of a graduate tutor and they have advised me to ignore what he has said, finish my 2 experiments then leave and write up at home. Apparently he has no power to stop me doing my PhD at this late stage. He is an utter dick and I cannot explain how shocked and angry and upset I am. I will be reporting him as well. Sorry for that huge rant lovely brookers. It serves me right, on Friday after we had our appointment I said to MrMaybe 'well it can't get much worse now, it needs to get better'

Oh Maybe your boss sounds pants! I can't believe that, does he not have people skills?!! I'm glad to hear you will be reporting him, what a dick!! Is there anything that can be done about your payments though? You poor thing, lots of hugs to you. Sounds like you have a plan though! I'm feeling good and cold is much better apart from lingering cough which unfortunately occasionally wakes me and DH up in the middle of the night!

He really is a dick Solars. No, nothing can be done about the payments, have to wait a whole other week for any money

Glad the cold is better. Coughs are so annoying aren't they. Sounds like you need a nice holiday

keep so sorry to hear about the BFN, they don't get any easier do they. I too found the 9 month mark quite tough, it is more they things we have put off that we could have done that I found most difficult.

Maybe poor you, as if you don't have enough on at the moment without this. Why do people have to be so horrible, have they never heard of karma? His day will come my dear.

Solars glad your cold is getting better, twinges are good I think. Any bloating in your tummy? I know what you mean about spending all the time in the loo

Snow congratulations on your BFP

Scarlett glad your weekend/week of SWI is going well. Brooking so hard that wafty tube has done its thing.

I have made enquiries about egg donor waiting lists and it is only a couple of months at Care in Sheffield which is our next nearest clinic if we don't go back to Leeds. I am just keeping options open and the possibility of donor on the back burner until we have had our consultant review at the end of the month. of course i would like to give it another go with my own eggs if possible but will see what they say.

I also went to see a friend of mine whose DD was through an egg donor, I wanted to know how she feels about things and if she would advise it. She is a really good friend so she was very open and I trust her not to lie. She said initially she was curious about the physical looks of the donor but their DD is the image of her DH so they never even thinks about it. She said as she carried the baby for 9 months she felt totally connected from the start. This has made me feel easier about the situation if it becomes part of our journey too.

Am starting back at work tomorrow, I have wallowed in self pity for too long and need to get using my brain again. there is only so much Jeremy Kyle even I can watch

maybe i am completely outraged on your behalf. Whose fault is the delayed payments, twunty-boss? That sounds like god advice from the tutor. How long will it take you to finish those two experiments, and can you manage to do them at times when you wouldn't even see him? Is he your supervisor, or just a line manager. Can you swap, if he is your supervisor, or do you have another supervisor you can talk to, as far as i know people normally have three? You must definitely report him - yelling abuse at you is completely wrong.

sweetie i think it's sensible to have another go with your own eggs. The chance of bfp with IVF is only 30%ish, so no reason to give up after one attempt. Are you having to self fund the next round? That's lovely to be able to talk to your friend; i'm sure that you would feel totally bonded to the baby after carrying it though. Do you think you took too much time off work this time? Would you do the same again or not? How's pup, will she be ok on her own now?

maybe we are thinking of considering stimulated IUI in December and January, poss Feb, followed by IVF in Feb or March. But if they need to do any follow up in the tww then we couldn't do December, as we're away over xmas. We are hoping to go to a couple of clinics in the next two weeks, as then DH is away until early December. Am trying to time a dirty long weekend in November to coincide with ov, but with my body it's not that easy... Still, as DH says, if we miss it we'll just miss out on a 2% chance (apparently what we have per month now) so it's not the end of the world.

solars not long till the scan! When are you expecting egg collection, over the weekend? Am brooking away!

no AF yet, and no spotting either. She's due tomorrow, and i normally get two days of spotting beforehand, so i expect she's delayed, which will throw off dates for this month. Argh. stupid witch - if you're coming come NOW, i tell you!!

Just popping in to say that I'm still brooking from afar, and to send congratulations, commiserations, and kicks to the shins of twunty bosses as appropriate.

keep I think we're cycle buddies as AF is not due in a couple of days, though I don't actually know this as I'm relaxing on holiday and not thinking about ttc

Morning ladies, sorry been absent, still lurking and brooking for you all.

Maybe what's complete arsebadger boss you have, you must complain about him!

Geek missing you, hope your ok.

Hiya everyone else, sorry no name checks, but brooking hard for you all.

keep fingers firmly crossed and brooking that AF doesn't find you, no spotting is a good sign.
I think we are around a similar percent chance as you if we use my egg, under 5%. But would be back up to the 30% norm with donor eggs. But that is one of my top questions when we see the consultant.
I think I have taken too much time off, I didn't need all the time during stims. I would need the time for scans I suppose and then from egg collection through to transfer and a couple of days after that to rest up. If we do it again I would take less, but I am sure work would want me to take more as holiday and only the collection/transfer days as sick. Which I suppose is fair enough.

It is surprisingly difficult to type with a quite large pup on my knee. We are going to leave pup with my parents when I have to go into the office, I am lucky as I can work from home most of the time. But my parents only live 5 mins away, both are retired and they have their own 18 month old miniature schnauzer. So it is all good.

Beedle so lovely to see you, hope you are having a relaxing holibobs. How are you both doing?

sweetie is that 5% chance per month doing IVF with your own eggs, or naturally? The 2% i quoted was just from some study, not specifically for us. I don't know how they come up with these figures, really. As i said to DH, we've managed to be in the minority when it comes to not getting pg within x,y,z - so why can't we be in the minority when it comes to this.
Am trying not to mental re lack of spotting, as i had a bfn yesterday. but, but, but.
Right, have a meeting, and then a Thai lesson to keep my mind off it all.

beedle hi! hope you're having a wonderful time. Brooking for evil AF to stay away. Surely she can't find both of us at once...